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but you cant say at one point he wenrt one fo the best in the world, and when you look back in say 20 years he will be looked upon as one of the footballers that graced the millenium period, no doubt about it.
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but you cant say at one point he wenrt one fo the best in the world, and when you look back in say 20 years he will be looked upon as one of the footballers that graced the millenium period, no doubt about it.
not IMO no.
He is a good crosser and passer, but thats about it. He hasnt got enough to him to be called a legend, and IMO that term is branded about well too often to describe someone who was a good player but not great.
He is a good guy aswell form what I can tell, setting up soccer schools around the world, etc. but once again it still doesnt make him a footballing legend.
Over the last decade as you mentioned these are some legends I can think of...Zidane, Figo, Henry (still going too), Bergkamp, Shearer, Cantona.
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Zidane should be a disgrace not a legend,
figo is no better than beckham imo, henry will be one but i dont think so at the mo.
bergkamp yes, shearer no.
i think there needs to be a collective of things that makes a footballer a legend and what beckham has done for football sport and aswell as playing it, he deserves to be a legend!!!
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i think there needs to be a collective of things that makes a footballer a legend and what beckham has done for football sport and aswell as playing it, he deserves to be a legend!!!
But some wouldnt class what Beckham has done as a good thing, commercialising the sport more, making footballers into celebrities rather than just sportsmen, concentrating on different advertising promotions, made footballers more greedy, etc. etc.
The days of the real legends of the past who just played football have long gone and Beckham was one of the pioneers of this...not all good IMO.
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ah but every other main sport in the world has been comericalised long before football was like all the american sports.
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ah but every other main sport in the world has been comericalised long before football was like all the american sports.
thats America though 
I just dont think most of what he has done is a good thing for football (some is good though!), and I know if he didnt then someone else would of, but still it doesnt make him a legend.
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thik were have to agree to disagree
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thik were have to agree to disagree
agreed 
I do think he is a good player, and guy from what I can tell. But just think the status of Legend is given out too easy these days and dont think he is just there (yet...he might get there!)
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i just think that the passion that he plays with is unlike any player in the world, and his reactio to being dropped by england you cna just tell that its crushed his world!!
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i just think that the passion that he plays with is unlike any player in the world, and his reactio to being dropped by england you cna just tell that its crushed his world!!
Rooney has passion, Gerrard has passion, Terry has passion. Stuart Pearce had passion...still doesnt make a legend 
But yeah, I can see where your coming from still. 
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what so your now moaning at him because hes talkin to tom cruise, fuck sake so the mans done wrong cos he has a famous freind, you get a grip mate.
Course he is a legend, hes the footballer of the last decade mate!!!!!
PMSL no because of the fact as much as he will moan about being in the media, if it goes quiet on him for a week him and victoria release a press conference of make comment on something to get him back on the front page. This has nothing to do with football.
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Linekar is a legend, gazza is a legened, seaman is a legend.
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what so your now moaning at him because hes talkin to tom cruise, fuck sake so the mans done wrong cos he has a famous freind, you get a grip mate.
Course he is a legend, hes the footballer of the last decade mate!!!!!
PMSL no because of the fact as much as he will moan about being in the media, if it goes quiet on him for a week him and victoria release a press conference of make comment on something to get him back on the front page. This has nothing to do with football.
give it a rest the bloke is followed day in and day out by people, anythign he says gets put in the media.
so basically englands biggest payer weve prob ever had cant tell a living sole or any1 in the media how much he misses england and how much he wants to get back in the side, incase someone thinks he jsut wants the limelight.
jesus i feel sorry for the guy, he cant do anythign without gettin abuse, if he didnt do interviews people woudl think he was arrogant etc, least he takes the time out to talk to people.
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give it a rest the bloke is followed day in and day out by people, anythign he says gets put in the media.
so basically englands biggest payer weve prob ever had cant tell a living sole or any1 in the media how much he misses england and how much he wants to get back in the side, incase someone thinks he jsut wants the limelight.
jesus i feel sorry for the guy, he cant do anythign without gettin abuse, if he didnt do interviews people woudl think he was arrogant etc, least he takes the time out to talk to people.
he put himself in the media...live by the media die by the media
Also, if he hadnt become this big brand that he has made himself into would he of been England captain..no. Would he have moved to Madrid...no. Would we even be considering him being a legend...no!
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Would he wear a sarong? Probably 
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course he woudl of been englang captain, he still should be imo, most passionate player out their in every game, not even terry gerrard or lampard i think trys as hard as beckham did thru the last comps.
and why wouldnt he of moved to madrid, he was already at the biggest club in the world so why not!
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course he woudl of been englang captain, he still should be imo, most passionate player out their in every game, not even terry gerrard or lampard i think trys as hard as beckham did thru the last comps.
and why wouldnt he of moved to madrid, he was already at the biggest club in the world so why not!
he wouldnt of as they only bought him for his popularity. The day they signed him for £25m or whatever it was they had made it all back within the year due to his marketing power.
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exaclty marketing power because he is a LEGEND!!!!!!!!!!
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exaclty marketing power because he is a LEGEND!!!!!!!!!!
but his footballing skills didnt turn him into that legend. His advisors, image consultants, wife, etc. all made him into what he is today.
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course his football skills did, there plenty of pther good lookingblokes the media could of picked out, and others whove married other celebs etc but hes the successfull one because everyknows how good a footballer he was!!!
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name another palyer in the last decade then, that has changed the world of football as much of him!!
Zinedine Zidane, his relaxed moves and skills on the ball have converted many anti-French people into idolising Zidane.
Ronaldinho Gaucho, What this guy can do with a ball in a competitive match is amazing, his fluent skills and love of the game makes everyone watch, he also is a very fair player, you'll never see him kick out and wreck a World Cup for his country.
Eric Cantona, I don't need to say anything, he had it all bar the international glory, which Beckham still hasn't had.
Raul Gonzalez, Spains most prolific goal getter, Real Madrid fans vowed to end their own lives in 2001 due to rumours he was being sold to Bayern, thats an impact on itself, the golden boy of Spanish football, holds many records.
Ruud V Nistelrooy, has the best strike rate on the planet to date.
Ronaldo Nazario de Lima, Brazil's best striker since Pele, holds the world record for world cup goals and since 1993 kids and men admire him to this day even though he's not the man he used to be.
I would say there is more but can't be arsed to write anything yet, bit tired.
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Eric Cantona, I don't need to say anything, he had it all bar the international glory, which Beckham still hasn't had.
Beckham has had Champions League glory though.
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Ruud V Nistelrooy, has the best strike rate on the planet to date.
Hes also the laziest! 
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what so your now moaning at him because hes talkin to tom cruise, fuck sake so the mans done wrong cos he has a famous freind, you get a grip mate.
Course he is a legend, hes the footballer of the last decade mate!!!!!
PMSL no because of the fact as much as he will moan about being in the media, if it goes quiet on him for a week him and victoria release a press conference of make comment on something to get him back on the front page. This has nothing to do with football.
give it a rest the bloke is followed day in and day out by people, anythign he says gets put in the media.
so basically englands biggest payer weve prob ever had cant tell a living sole or any1 in the media how much he misses england and how much he wants to get back in the side, incase someone thinks he jsut wants the limelight.
jesus i feel sorry for the guy, he cant do anythign without gettin abuse, if he didnt do interviews people woudl think he was arrogant etc, least he takes the time out to talk to people.
Ask yourself this, what will David Beckham be remember for? and answer it honestly, because all I think he will be remembered for is a good free kick, and that doesn't even work anymore.
The ask yourself this..... what will Bobby Moore and Geoff Hurst be remembered for?
Same with Lineker, Robson, Keegan etc...
[Edited on 19-09-2006 by Jizinho Silva 10]
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Eric Cantona, I don't need to say anything, he had it all bar the international glory, which Beckham still hasn't had.
Beckham has had Champions League glory though.
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Ruud V Nistelrooy, has the best strike rate on the planet to date.
Hes also the laziest!
Doesn't matter whether he's lazy or not, it matters what impact he makes, he does what he's employed to do which is score, and he does exactly that, played 3 games for Real Madrid and scored 3.
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Yeah, you can't take it away from the guy.
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