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PaulW
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14th Oct 06 at 22:08   View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote

sorry my bad

it is the X18XE1
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PaulW
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i get confused with these things when its late
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right the small blocks are either x18xe1 and z18xe or its the x18xe and z18xe1 (thought it was the first 2 that were small block) mantzel themselfs in germany do this conversion too!!! you have to use the 1.8 pistons and the original rods (c16xe rods) and the 1.8 crank, if i remember correctly from what i have been reading then this shoudl work fine... i am still going to get in touch with mantzel to find out exactly what they do when converting a c16xe to 1800..... (lots of german translating soon then)

[Edited on 14-10-2006 by ckallis500]
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quote:
Originally posted by Robin
the X18XE was big block, the X18XE1 is smallblock


as was the Z18XE

[Edited on 14-10-2006 by Robin]
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right to confirm things, x18xe1 and z18xe is small block, as far as i am aware at this moment in time you need the crank and pistons out of one of these engines to convert a c16xe/x16xe to a 1.8... i will be contacting mantzel (germany) to confirm what is needed..

ENGINE CODE BORE (mm) STROKE (mm) CYCLINDERS CAPACITY COMP RATIO
Y32SE 87.5 88 6 3175 10:1
X30XE 86 85 6 2962 10.8:1
Y26SE 83.2 79.6 6 2597 10:1
C25X,X25XE 81.6 79.6 6 2498 10.8:1
Y22XE,Z22XE 86 94.6 4 2198 10.5:1
Z22SE(ALLOY BLOCK) 86 94.6 4 2198 10.0:1
C20LET 86 86 4 1998 9:1
C20XE 86 86 4 1998 10.5:1
Z20LET 86 86 4 1998 8.8:1
X20XEV 86 86 4 1998 10.8:1
X18XE 81.6 86 4 1799 10.8:1
Small Block
X18XE1,Z18XE,Z18XEL 80.5 88.2 4 1796 10.5:1
C16XEL 79 81.5 4 1598 11:1
X16XEL 79 81.5 4 1598 10.5:1
X14XEL 77.6 73.4 4 1389 10.5:1
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its the stroke which is the problem.

an extra 6.7mm is going to cause problems.
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its either the gudgeon pin in the piston sits higher or the 1600 rods are shorter to compensate and thus the pistons sit at the same height. need to go down to the breakers and measure the block height in comparison to a spare 16xe block i got here...

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