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What is decent hip-hop then? Surely not the likes of Necro and Immortal Technique? They are the biggest steaming piles of dog turd i've ever heard and just bullshit from start to finish.
Nobody in the UK can relate to real hip-hop and you look like a queer listening to it, FACT. At least the likes of 50, Kanye, etc. have good beats and are well produced.
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Phi life cypher
Braintax
Klashnikoff
Jehst
Sage Francis
Immortal Technique
Method Man
Thats what I consider to be some of the best hip hop artists making music at the moment.
As for saying no one in the uk can relate to hip hop- I agree- we cant relate to that bulshiiit fake manufactured hardman bling bling image because thats all it is--- image.
Good production and beats means fuk all if what is coming out of their mouth is a load of fake gangstar/pornstar garbage.
I would rather listen to independant hip hop, or small labal hip hop because generally the people involve in making it are looking to develop the genre, not devolop their share price.
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Kanye West is the only recent rapper I can put up with, the rest just churn out the same shit.
You need to find yourself some decent hip hop--- I suggest looking outside of america and mtv.
PS- 50 cent is beyond terrible - I cant see anything to like about him.
To be honest mate, I'm not really into rap/hip hop at all anyway. Just saying that of the recent stuff that you hear on the radio etc Kanye is the only one that I think has something going for him.
Fair enough mate- i dont rate kanye very highly but he is a cut above the rest of the turd in the charts.
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OK...
Phi life cypher
Braintax
Klashnikoff
Jehst
Sage Francis
Immortal Technique
Method Man
Thats what I consider to be some of the best hip hop artists making music at the moment.
As for saying no one in the uk can relate to hip hop- I agree- we cant relate to that bulshiiit fake manufactured hardman bling bling image because thats all it is--- image.
Good production and beats means fuk all if what is coming out of their mouth is a load of fake gangstar/pornstar garbage.
I would rather listen to independant hip hop, or small labal hip hop because generally the people involve in making it are looking to develop the genre, not devolop their share price.
What I don't grasp, is how the likes of 50, etc are "fake", but the ones on your list aren't?
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Got to love music snobs getting arsey about genres etc 
If you like the sound of something you like it, it doesn't become rubbish just because it's mainstream!
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I think Mad Moe has a degree in hip-hop tbh
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OK...
Phi life cypher
Braintax
Klashnikoff
Jehst
Sage Francis
Immortal Technique
Method Man
Thats what I consider to be some of the best hip hop artists making music at the moment.
As for saying no one in the uk can relate to hip hop- I agree- we cant relate to that bulshiiit fake manufactured hardman bling bling image because thats all it is--- image.
Good production and beats means fuk all if what is coming out of their mouth is a load of fake gangstar/pornstar garbage.
I would rather listen to independant hip hop, or small labal hip hop because generally the people involve in making it are looking to develop the genre, not devolop their share price.
What I don't grasp, is how the likes of 50, etc are "fake", but the ones on your list aren't?
You dont see why 50 cent is fake?...........
50 cent...... small time trouble maker who has limited skills as an mc -- recognised by an industry talent spotter as someone who can be manipulated into an image that will sell records(ie- his face will look good on mtv and he has lots of muscles and bullet holes)....... they give him a top producer, they have lyrics and tunes already made for him to rap over, they buy his clothes for him, they arrange stadium sized gigs for him, they hire people to make videos for him, they tell him who he will be collaberating with, they push him around the globe on every tv and magazine that will show a picture of him............
The result - loads of teenagers who have no idea about what hip hop is go out and buy the record because they have seen it every time they turn on a tv or radio or magazine. The record company, producers, writers and publisists make millions of dollars... 50 cent makes good money but not very much and has virtually no control over his own career. The artist is not really important in this money making scheme- you could pick pretty much any black kid with good looks and get a similar result.
Imortal technique(used as an example of independant hip hop)....taken form wikipedia................
In 2001, Immortal Technique released his first album CD, Revolutionary Vol. 1, without the help of a record label or distribution. He self-financed, manufactured, and sold copies of the record on the streets. In November 2002, he was listed by The Source as the month's featured "Unsigned Hype", which highlights artists that are not signed to a record label. The following year, in September 2003, he received the coveted "Hip Hop Quotable" in The Source for a song entitled "Industrial Revolution" from his second album. Consequently, since he did not have a record deal or distribution at the time, Immortal Technique is the only rapper in history to have a "Hip Hop Quotable" while being unsigned. He finally released his second album Revolutionary Vol. 2 in 2003 under Viper Records/Nature Sounds distribution on CD and double LP. The album sold around 65,000 units according to SoundScan figures, but estimates reach as far as 80,000 considering his large underground street distribution wing that made him famous in the NYC area.[citation needed] In 2004, Viper Records and, in 2005, Babygrande Records have re-released Immortal Technique's debut, Revolutionary Vol. 1, to make it available to a wider audience.
Although he has been offered a deal with at least one major record label,[citation needed] he has never signed to any. Immortal Technique has voiced a desire to keep control over his production, and has made statements in his music that he is very aware that it is record companies, not the artists themselves, who profit the most from mass production and marketing of music.
Does that help you grasp the difference between 50 cent and independant hip hop............... basically 50 cent has been given a career in order to make money for rich white record execs - and immortal technique and others are trying to make good music.
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Got to love music snobs getting arsey about genres etc
If you like the sound of something you like it, it doesn't become rubbish just because it's mainstream!
I agree-
I love loads of mainstream hip hop but equally - just because its mainstream doesnt make it good. How else do you explain westlife, spice girls ect....... marketing and production thats how.
Its not snobbish to say you think a certain type of music is rubbish- if you can back it up with a decent argument. Its called your opinion.
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Taken from wikipedia ........ They really know how to make money out of this guy but what the hell has any of this got to do with making good hip hop?
50 Cent has established himself in a wide variety of fields outside of his rapping career. In November 2003, he signed a five year deal with Reebok to distribute a G-Unit Sneakers line as part of his G-Unit Clothing Company.[54][55] He provided the voice-over as the protagonist in the video game 50 Cent: Bulletproof, which was released for PlayStation 2, Xbox, and the PlayStation Portable. He worked with glacéau to create and market a grape flavored Vitamin Water drink called Formula 50. He also launched a condom line and plans to donate a part of the proceeds to HIV awareness.[56]
Vitamin Water billboard ad on the Book-Cadillac Hotel.In 2005, 50 Cent made a cameo appearance on The Simpsons episode "Pranksta Rap", in which he makes light of his legal troubles. The same year, he starred alongside Terrence Howard in the semi-autobiographical film Get Rich or Die Tryin'. He also starred in the 2006 film Home of the Brave as a soldier returning home from the Iraq War, traumatized after killing an Iraqi woman.[57] 50 Cent is working on a role as a fighter in an Angola State Prison in The Dance alongside Nicholas Cage, and is set to star opposite Robert De Niro in 2008's Righteous Kill, a movie regarding a police death.[58] He also started a production company called G-Unit Films.[59] On August 21, 2007, 50 Cent announced plans to launch a dietary supplement company in conjunction with his movie The Dance.[60][61]
Shortly before appearing in Get Rich or Die Tryin', 50 Cent released a memoir about his life and how he became successful titled From Pieces to Weight: Once upon a Time in Southside Queens. On January 4, 2007, he launched his G-Unit Books imprint at the Time Warner Building in New York.[62] He also co-wrote The Ski Mask Way, a novel about a small-time drug dealer who attempts to rob his employers, which is to be turned into a film before 2008.[56] 50 Cent said he was reading The 33 Strategies of War by Robert Greene and worked with the author on a book titled The 50th Law, an urban take on The 48 Laws of Power.[56][63]
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It's basically like saying, if I got a guitar and started strumming it in my bedroom, along with a Garth Brooks accent, then that makes me a true "Country Musician"
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It's basically like saying, if I got a guitar and started strumming it in my bedroom, along with a Garth Brooks accent, then that makes me a true "Country Musician"
If you were better at songwriting, playing, and singing than him then yes it would make you better..... even though you dont have a record contract and he does.
I dont see why that is so hard to grasp?
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My argument isnt that underground independant hip hop is good, and main stream is bad.
There is good and bad hip hop in both areas. My argument is that just because something sells lots of records it doesnt necesserily make it better than something that sells very few records.
And 50 cent is shite
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It's not hard to grasp, I only use that term to get an answer. I understand exactly what you're saying and what angle you're trying to come from, i'm not stupid.
As for writing skills, i've heard some of the shite out of the guys you've listed and I honestly think I could do better. Maybe I should record some tracks in my bedroom and hand out albums on the streets?
Unsigned is for a reason, because it won't make money. Why doesn't it make money? Because it doesn't fucking sell. You can't beat 50 down because he's popular.
I don't want everyone to think I love 50 because I don't, he's just an example. In fact, most, if all rap (whether it be "fake" or real) is shite and basically someone whinging down a microphone for 3-4mins a time.
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Unsigned is for a reason, because it won't make money. Why doesn't it make money? Because it doesn't fucking sell. You can't beat 50 down because he's popular.
That simply isnt true though .... People like Immortal technique have been offered contracts by all the majors.... they are selling over 100000 copies of their records without a record company.... the majors are beating down their doors trying to get them to sign.
Its just some people put their art before money and dont want other people who dont understand hip hop controlling their musical direction.
You certainly can critisize 50 cent for being popular because he is not popular with the underground hip hop community- he is popular with a pop music audience... that is very different from being respected by your peers.
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The fact 50 is popular is the whole reason he's not liked by the 'underground hip-hop community'. Just the same as if all of a sudden Immortal Technique somehow wrote a decent song and got into the charts. He would suddenly become 'pop music' and be disliked by the 'underground' undoubtedly.
CBA with this anymore anyway. You stick to your music and i'll stick to mine.
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As for writing skills, i've heard some of the shite out of the guys you've listed and I honestly think I could do better. Maybe I should record some tracks in my bedroom and hand out albums on the streets?
Maybe you should become the number one rated battle mc in america, then release two critically aclaimed albums that sell half a million copies without a record label..... like immortal technique has done.
Buy Jehst - "return of the drifter" , and tell me thats shit. Go and see phi life cypher live and see what you think.
Have you actually listened to revolutionairy volumes 1 and 2 or are you basing your opinion on him on "dance with the devil" - probably his worst song.
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The fact 50 is popular is the whole reason he's not liked by the 'underground hip-hop community'.
No- hes not hated because hes popular- hes hated because he is fake, manufactured and goes against all the principles that hip hop was based on, and his tunes, rapping and lyrics are rubbish. People dont dislike wu tang, dre, biggy because they were mainstream-- they are rated because they are good artists who made good music.
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You guys are all the same tbh Just want to listen to something that you don't hear on the radio so you can be different. Probably have it blasting it out of subs forcing other people to put up with it.
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I think the reason I am less interested in the more comercially accessable Hip Hop/Rap is because my introduction to the genre was more through the route of Turnbalism and Breakbeat thus my interest is more concentrated to acts with links to these areas. Im not saying that I dont listen to any Commercially sucessul acts. In fact the likes of the Wu Tang Clan and a number of their Solo efforts, Gangstarr, Mobb Deep, The Pharcyde, The Roots, De La Soul are among a number main stream artists who I rate very highly.
But to simply call all underground Hip Hop shit is ill informed, try listening to the likes of Cannibal Ox, Binary Star, Deltron 3030, Aseop Rock, Mr Lif, Mad Villain, Hieroglyphics with a genuine interest in Hip Hop and tell me they are shit when compared to the likes of 50 Cent and the like, I think you will be pleasantly surpised
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You guys are all the same tbh Just want to listen to something that you don't hear on the radio so you can be different. Probably have it blasting it out of subs forcing other people to put up with it.
I admit, Immortal Technique is fabulous. Can we leave it now?
Yes -- as long as you realise I done want to listen to something because it is "different" - I want to listen to something because it is good. Whether its on the radio or not.
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Ok, so when Mobb Deep do a song with 50, 'have a party' for example. Is that fake or true hip-hop?
Only jokin, CBA with this shit now 
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Ok, so when Mobb Deep do a song with 50, 'have a party' for example. Is that fake or true hip-hop?
Only jokin, CBA with this shit now
Doesnt matter if it is fake or real --- is it any good?
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Ok, so when Mobb Deep do a song with 50, 'have a party' for example. Is that fake or true hip-hop?
Only jokin, CBA with this shit now
Doesnt matter if it is fake or real --- is it any good?
Yes, was a good song tbh. 
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Ok, so when Mobb Deep do a song with 50, 'have a party' for example. Is that fake or true hip-hop?
Only jokin, CBA with this shit now
When have I ever mentioned fake or real Hip Hop
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i think its quite sad that because the music is "main stream" its automatically shit, that is the dumbest thing ever ever heard.
fair enough if you really dont like the music that is main stream, but to think its shit purerly because its popular is quite sad.
theres the same type of people in the music scene i lisen to ( metal/alternative/emo ect) if something is popular they instantly say the music is shit or the artist sold out, they only seem to care about how its made as opposed to if they actually like it.
personally i couldnt care if the song is a local band that ive only heard play in a tiny club or a band singned to a large label if i like it, i will lisen to it.
and as for whatver his name is not wanting to sign to a major label i dont get why, if hes so good cant he just sign with them but keep control over whatever hes doing?
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