jr
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Originally posted by broster
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Originally posted by jr
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Originally posted by broster
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its too heavy, the end 
so is a c20xe.......
fuck who said that
the one who hasnt got enough £££ for a 200bhp 1.6 and a clio ASWELL
i am aiming for 230BHP actually!
clio was cheap......... honest
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mwg
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Give me the full fat version any day. Rather have a few more creature comforts and get to work a few tenths of a second slower...
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broster
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if the misses didnt have a bigger better car i think i would have bought a full fat clio over the cup, but the cup ticked all the right boxes when there is something better to drive on motorways
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Fad
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FF are ok on the motorway if you like cruising at 5k doing only 80 
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Warren G
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quite light for a new car with all safety extras and a/c etc etc
put mine on the weight bridge other day 970kg, running ful trim just minus a/c
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Robin
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Originally posted by deano87
You can only make a car so light before 1) it becomes unsafe 2) before it becomes impractical.
Lack of the following;
Aircon
CD player
Electric windows
Electric mirrors
Sunroof
Electric seats
Side airbags
Traction control
doesn't make the car impractical, or even unsafe, the problem is, manufacturers are scared of making a car which they think won't sell, "the public" won't buy a car without these, apparently.
[Edited on 26-02-2008 by Robin]
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Daimo B
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Originally posted by Robin
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Originally posted by deano87
You can only make a car so light before 1) it becomes unsafe 2) before it becomes impractical.
Lack of the following;
Aircon
CD player
Electric windows
Electric mirrors
Sunroof
Electric seats
Side airbags
Traction control
doesn't make the car impractical, or even unsafe, the problem is, manufacturers are scared of making a car which they think won't sell, "the public" won't buy a car without these, apparently.
[Edited on 26-02-2008 by Robin]
Most wont no.
Its only a small market of people who would buy cars like this. And people who want dedicated track cars will buy a dedicated track car really.
Small Market or Big Market for profit? Not really a hard choice for the manufactures.
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SVM 286
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Originally posted by Steve X16XE
So what does yours weigh then jim?
744kg Steve.
Not including me of course.  
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SVM 286
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Originally posted by Matt H
I'd have specced a coal fire in mine
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Robbo
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Originally posted by SVM 286
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Originally posted by Steve X16XE
So what does yours weigh then jim?
744kg Steve.
Not including me of course.
So 76,678,045kg with you then Jimbo 
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Robin
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Originally posted by VXR
Most wont no.
Its only a small market of people who would buy cars like this. And people who want dedicated track cars will buy a dedicated track car really.
Small Market or Big Market for profit? Not really a hard choice for the manufactures.
How many people bought the PROPER Civic Type R in Japan?
How many people chose a Clio 'cup' over a normal Renaultsport.
How many people will pay less money for the new Clio Cup instead of spending £1500 more and getting a slower car with a slightly better dash texture?
I think you'd be surprised at how many people would rather have the lightness than the creature comforts.
Most people who buy little sporty hatchbacks either have another car, or are young.
Both those types of people tend not to care about how their dash feels.
The manufacturers would make a lot more money by putting less stuff in the cars and selling them for less cash, £1500 less for a car which costs £2000 less to assemble in parts is an obvious way to make more money.
It's not about dedicated track cars, look at the 911 GT3 RS, you can use that on the road, every day, or the track. People pay more money for that too FFS if they'd dropped the price to below that of the normal 911 with the same engine, they'd have sold shitloads more.
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burgess
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my astra gte track slag is supposed to be sub 800
need it on a wiegh bridge to confirm this but it has been made impractical to use in winter with no heater matrix 
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Daimo B
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Originally posted by Robin
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Originally posted by VXR
Most wont no.
Its only a small market of people who would buy cars like this. And people who want dedicated track cars will buy a dedicated track car really.
Small Market or Big Market for profit? Not really a hard choice for the manufactures.
How many people bought the PROPER Civic Type R in Japan?
How many people chose a Clio 'cup' over a normal Renaultsport.
How many people will pay less money for the new Clio Cup instead of spending £1500 more and getting a slower car with a slightly better dash texture?
I think you'd be surprised at how many people would rather have the lightness than the creature comforts.
Most people who buy little sporty hatchbacks either have another car, or are young.
Both those types of people tend not to care about how their dash feels.
The manufacturers would make a lot more money by putting less stuff in the cars and selling them for less cash, £1500 less for a car which costs £2000 less to assemble in parts is an obvious way to make more money.
It's not about dedicated track cars, look at the 911 GT3 RS, you can use that on the road, every day, or the track. People pay more money for that too FFS if they'd dropped the price to below that of the normal 911 with the same engine, they'd have sold shitloads more.
FAR less that bought the normal Civic Type R with all the goodies
Not as many by far as bought the normal Clio Sport.
Maybe the younger people will yes.
Sorry, your looking at this as a wippersnappers perspective and not that of a business. It will go with the masses as thats what will make them more money.
Suprised you used those examples at all tbh.... They all prove my point.
Your into cars, im into cars, but 90% of people on the road arn't. They want something nippy, something to brag to their friends about (more the younger lot) and not compromise comfort. You need to look at it from a normal persons perspective and not that of a car enthusiast.
RE the 911, I very very very much doubt so. Prehapes you need a trip to the city or any large town or business area to see that its a different world and the upper class want to look good, go fast, but not loose any daily driveabilty, and thats WHY porsches sell SO well as they can be used and abused and not fail.
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Gezza
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wonder what my v6 corsa wieghs then....
my scooby was 1240kg
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Robin
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Wippersnapper
You're not exactly ancient yourself, don't belittle me.
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Tex
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Originally posted by deano87
The minimal weight saving seems to figure. I had a feeling an E46 BMW M3 CSL would be extremely light.
E46 M3 - 1495 kg
M3 CSL - 1460 kg
Pretty shocking difference if you ask me. And on the CSL you get nothing luxurious.
You can only make a car so light before 1) it becomes unsafe 2) before it becomes impractical.
The 1495kg figure is for a completely factory standard E46 M3 - no optional extras and no fuel.
In that state the CSL is actually 1385kg, which gives you the 110kg saving that BMW quoted in the marketing. Most UK CSL will be nearer to your figure though, as they have optional extras such as Aircon and Xenon headlights. Mine came in at 1430kg (has A/C and Xenons, and had some fuel too) when we plonked it on the scales 
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SVM 286
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Originally posted by Robbo
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Originally posted by SVM 286
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Originally posted by Steve X16XE
So what does yours weigh then jim?
744kg Steve.
Not including me of course.
So 76,678,045kg with you then Jimbo
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