Warren G
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but as warren said, even a redtop conversion in myc ar would be just as hard!
how would it? whats so hard about it?
this is also true
the 1.0 12 and 1.2 16v have totaly different set up
and fitting a redtop wiring loom would be JUST as hard
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vectra's weigh alot more than corsa's too 
[Edited on 05-03-2009 by mobby]
yeah ok so they do......
but a 2.0 vectra will be of very similar weight to a 1.8 vectra correct? whats faster? the 2.0 one. so why on earth is a 1.8 in a similar weight car ie a corsa going to be faster than a 20xe corsa?
its not
We've had this debate.. When you compare the big block 1.8 to the small block its slower.. But the small block 1.8 is a different story.. The small block 1.8 basically replaced the 2.0 big block.
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Mobby
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Originally posted by Warren G
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Originally posted by Nic Barnes
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are 1800s in these good?
be better allround with a 20xe in.
lies 
cheaper converion.....
lighter
newer
judging by mobby's hassles id not say it was cheaper, neither easier. also result is a slower car than a 20xe conversion.
fail to see any benefit at all. everyone seems to be forcing this at people and yet having driven many 2.0 ecofeck vectras and 1.8 ecofeck vectras i fail to understand how this is even worth considering. possibly in the same class as putting a 1.4 engine into a 1.3 nova. all the effort for no rewarding end product.
i offered mobby the conversion for £750, with engine, as bolts up to standard mounts/gearbox
xe conversion would be about £1250...
i cant denie the redtop is a great engine - becasue it is!
mobbys having hassels, but davey didnt...
these engines are tunable like the redtop, being standard 123bhp, with a few simple breather mods and a remap, will see 140bhp...
main reason i think if the fact you can pick a low mileage engine up for as much as a redtop (probley been around the clock)
what do you mean about the vectras nic?
arnt they 113bph if you pick the x18xe1.
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DaveyLC
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Late ones are 123 
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Mobby
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so mine could be 123? without it being a z?
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Warren G
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Originally posted by Nic Barnes
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Originally posted by mobby
vectra's weigh alot more than corsa's too
[Edited on 05-03-2009 by mobby]
yeah ok so they do......
but a 2.0 vectra will be of very similar weight to a 1.8 vectra correct? whats faster? the 2.0 one. so why on earth is a 1.8 in a similar weight car ie a corsa going to be faster than a 20xe corsa?
its not
there different engines nick
you have a x20xev and x18xe - both big block and very similar to the c20xe redtop
but they also did a small block (similar to the x14xe/x16xe) x18xe1 and z18xe (later being abit more powerful and fly by wire with more advanced emissions control)
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Nic Barnes
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i offered mobby the conversion for £750, with engine, as bolts up to standard mounts/gearbox
fair play i can do this myself and dont need others to do it for me. but my xe conversion consisted of
135,000 mile engine that was great runner - £200
mounts £100
manifold joined to corsa system £20
corsa gsi shafts and cav inner cv's £100 ish
not even at 500 quid yet. took an afternoon to do.
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DaveyLC
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Originally posted by Nic Barnes
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Originally posted by Warren G
i offered mobby the conversion for £750, with engine, as bolts up to standard mounts/gearbox
fair play i can do this myself and dont need others to do it for me. but my xe conversion consisted of
135,000 mile engine that was great runner - £200
mounts £100
manifold joined to corsa system £20
corsa gsi shafts and cav inner cv's £100 ish
not even at 500 quid yet. took an afternoon to do.
Well I've just paid £100 less than that for a 70k car and a 60k engine
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Nic Barnes
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Originally posted by DaveyLC
We've had this debate.. When you compare the big block 1.8 to the small block its slower.. But the small block 1.8 is a different story.. The small block 1.8 basically replaced the 2.0 big block.
i understand it did.
however its still slower than an x20xev.
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DaveyLC
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You need to drive my car
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Warren G
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Originally posted by Nic Barnes
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Originally posted by Warren G
i offered mobby the conversion for £750, with engine, as bolts up to standard mounts/gearbox
fair play i can do this myself and dont need others to do it for me. but my xe conversion consisted of
135,000 mile engine that was great runner - £200
mounts £100
manifold joined to corsa system £20
corsa gsi shafts and cav inner cv's £100 ish
not even at 500 quid yet. took an afternoon to do.
not disagreeing nic, but i can say the same
£250 for engine and ecu - i can get them form breakers for that price
no mounts needed
no different box or shafts needed
just need to make up the exhasust system - same as fitting a redtop
no need to remove gearbox either...engine out of top, drop new one in
all you have to do is plump in a fpr inline
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You need to drive my car
is it really going to blow me away that much? compared to what i understand of those engines, i fail to see how. ive drove a 140bhp 1600 16v. id imagine that would be quicker?
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Mobby
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Originally posted by Warren G
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Originally posted by Nic Barnes
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Originally posted by Warren G
i offered mobby the conversion for £750, with engine, as bolts up to standard mounts/gearbox
fair play i can do this myself and dont need others to do it for me. but my xe conversion consisted of
135,000 mile engine that was great runner - £200
mounts £100
manifold joined to corsa system £20
corsa gsi shafts and cav inner cv's £100 ish
not even at 500 quid yet. took an afternoon to do.
not disagreeing nic, but i can say the same
£250 for engine and ecu - i can get them form breakers for that price
no mounts needed
no different box or shafts needed
just need to make up the exhasust system - same as fitting a redtop
no need to remove gearbox either...engine out of top, drop new one in
all you have to do is plump in a fpr inline
jealousy is a bitch 
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You need to drive my car
is it really going to blow me away that much? compared to what i understand of those engines, i fail to see how. ive drove a 140bhp 1600 16v. id imagine that would be quicker?
And what was the peak Torque on the 1.6? Long stroke engine, different animal.
XE1 has literally got a FLAT torque curve..
[Edited on 05-03-2009 by DaveyLC]
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i cant remeber what torque it was. it wasnt something i was greatly bothered about knowing at the time as it was still a fair bit slower than my xe was so the swap didnt come about.
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Warren G
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We've had this debate.. When you compare the big block 1.8 to the small block its slower.. But the small block 1.8 is a different story.. The small block 1.8 basically replaced the 2.0 big block.
i understand it did.
however its still slower than an x20xev.
x20xev - 134bhp
z18xe - 123bhp
11bhp, extra weight from box and engine, personaly (cant realy comment as havent been in a corsa with x20xev) would equal out
vectra's or even astra with these engines are far from anything great
the z18xe has replaced the x20xev - thats saying something
but not to be bias, thet still use the z20let, which is basicaly a x20xev.....
and davey - got a head off a z18xer atm, same size pistons as z18xe - 80.460
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Originally posted by Nic Barnes
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Originally posted by DaveyLC
You need to drive my car
is it really going to blow me away that much? compared to what i understand of those engines, i fail to see how. ive drove a 140bhp 1600 16v. id imagine that would be quicker?
And what was the peak Torque on the 1.6? Long stroke engine, different animal.
XE1 has literally got a FLAT torque curve..
[Edited on 05-03-2009 by DaveyLC]
i think its absolutely impossible for you to understand what im going on about as youve convinced yourself that much about the 1.8 anything anyone types is irrelevant.
tomorrow i will go for a drive in my corsa. see what 200+lb/ft at 2000rpm feels like.
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Mobby
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Originally posted by DaveyLC
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Originally posted by Nic Barnes
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Originally posted by DaveyLC
You need to drive my car
is it really going to blow me away that much? compared to what i understand of those engines, i fail to see how. ive drove a 140bhp 1600 16v. id imagine that would be quicker?
And what was the peak Torque on the 1.6? Long stroke engine, different animal.
XE1 has literally got a FLAT torque curve..
[Edited on 05-03-2009 by DaveyLC]
i think its absolutely impossible for you to understand what im going on about as youve convinced yourself that much about the 1.8 anything anyone types is irrelevant.
tomorrow i will go for a drive in my corsa. see what 200+lb/ft at 2000rpm feels like.
getting comfortable 
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Warren G
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Originally posted by Nic Barnes
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Originally posted by DaveyLC
You need to drive my car
is it really going to blow me away that much? compared to what i understand of those engines, i fail to see how. ive drove a 140bhp 1600 16v. id imagine that would be quicker?
And what was the peak Torque on the 1.6? Long stroke engine, different animal.
XE1 has literally got a FLAT torque curve..
[Edited on 05-03-2009 by DaveyLC]
i think its absolutely impossible for you to understand what im going on about as youve convinced yourself that much about the 1.8 anything anyone types is irrelevant.
tomorrow i will go for a drive in my corsa. see what 200+lb/ft at 2000rpm feels like.
different kettle of fish nic 
what ever deisel torque is, at 2000rpm thet kick me back when turbo kicks in
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Nic Barnes
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getting comfortable
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DaveyLC
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tomorrow i will go for a drive in my corsa. see what 200+lb/ft at 2000rpm feels like.
I'm not trying to say a 1.8 is faster than your LET you've thrown £1000's at.. dont worry
But there is some strange fascination with the XE (redtop) that people just wont let go of.. Yeah they are good engines but there is modern stuff out there that is just as good if not better.
I've done a few "out side of the box" conversions in my time and I'll continue to do so
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and davey - got a head off a z18xer atm, same size pistons as z18xe - 80.460
Sweet!
If the ZER wasnt CANBUS I'd have used one
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Nic Barnes
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i dunno davey, 300bhp n/a from a 2litre. maybe thats something the 1.8 can aim towards one day?
you still start with less bhp and less torque than a 1988 engine. modern or not, it just doesnt add up.
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Mobby
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does this mean the z18xer pistons are thicker ?
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DaveyLC
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Bigger isnt always better if I was interested in making a 1/4 monster I'd agree with you, but I'm not
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