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He's not average if he's starting for arsenal is he really?
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Tommy L
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He's not average if he's starting for arsenal is he really?
He's just better than Arshavin. But lets be honest it's not hard
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Nath
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He's not average if he's starting for arsenal is he really?
So every Arsenal player is now what, World Class?
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Dr Pepper
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He was promising 5 years ago? when 16. He's 21 now, nearly 22 and hasn't progressed to what he should have. May be to the shear volume of injuries or because of the club he is at. I think he would progress better at villa or spurs. Arsenal play the passing game which doesn't suit Theo.
Besides how many midfielders score hatricks? Stupid argument.
22 wow- all over for him - not like he has 5 years before he is even in his prime is it
As for the passing game not suiting him - thats just not true is it ...hes tiny, very quick, a bit of a poacher ...why would he do well at villa with the ball being hit long all the time? He relys on quality distribution on the floor which is why with fabregas, nasri ect he is scoring lots of goals for arsenal this year.
His technique needed to improve - where better to do that than at Arsenal.
I just dont get this argument that arsenal have messed him up - he is a quality player for them, week in, week out these days. His problem has been constant, niggling injuries and that isnt anyones fault
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Originally posted by Ben J
He's not average if he's starting for arsenal is he really?
So every Arsenal player is now what, World Class?
No- but i wouldnt describe them as average either.
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Nath
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Originally posted by Nath
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Originally posted by Ben J
He's not average if he's starting for arsenal is he really?
So every Arsenal player is now what, World Class?
No- but i wouldnt describe them as average either.
I'm not?
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Tommy L
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Theo has scored 5 goals this season in the PL and three of them from a hat trick (obviously )
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Nath
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Theo has scored 5 goals this season in the PL and three of them from a hat trick.
World Class mate.
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Tommy L
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Banging them in for fun mate.
Kevin Nolan, midfielder has scored 9 in the PL.
[Edited on 10-01-2011 by Tommy L]
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Nath
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I'd like to know who else is in Walcott's skill bracket according to Dr P and Ben. Out of curiousity.
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Originally posted by Ben J
He's not average if he's starting for arsenal is he really?
So every Arsenal player is now what, World Class?
Quote me where i've said that?
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Dr Pepper
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Walcot stats for career at arsenal
158 games
27 goals
22 assists
Seb Larrson
171 games
16 goals
10 assists
Matt Jarvis(wolves)
108 games
10 goals
11 assists
Valencia
142 games
15 goals
assists i cant find
Nani
129 games
24 goals
cant find assists
So he doesnt look too bad in terms of career stats so far
[Edited on 10-01-2011 by Dr Pepper]
[Edited on 10-01-2011 by Dr Pepper]
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Nath
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Originally posted by Ben J
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Originally posted by Nath
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Originally posted by Ben J
He's not average if he's starting for arsenal is he really?
So every Arsenal player is now what, World Class?
Quote me where i've said that?
Why are you answering me with a question?
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Dr Pepper
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I'd like to know who else is in Walcott's skill bracket according to Dr P and Ben. Out of curiousity.
If you want me to say which players in the premiership I would have instead of walcot in a fictional squad
For me
Nani
Thats the only premiership player who I think offers the all round attacking threat of walcott - and nani has only really come good in the middle of last year
Coleman at everto is the best young right winger I have seen
Pederson, larson, charlie adam, albrighton, jarvis, valencia are all good - but I would still take walcot ahead of them for his goals and pace on the break.
I dont think there are many players in the world who can do what walcot does - it may not always come off - but he can score, or create a goal against any defence in the world imo - you need players like that to win you games. I think he will, and is improving - and I just dont buy into this bandwagon that is writing him off at such a young age.
As I say - I dont think there are many better options on the right hand side in any premiership club right now
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Ok. I have my opinion and you have yours. Thats the beauty of football.
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Ben J
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Ok. I have my opinion and you have yours. Thats the beauty of football.
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Dr Pepper
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Ok. I have my opinion and you have yours. Thats the beauty of football.
Sure- and I know your into your football so im not gonna argue)too much)
But I know people who I call casual football fans - they watch the first two games on motd, they read the sun or the mirror, watch a bit of sky sports news ect ect They watch the supersunday games or the big champs league games - and they feel they can start writing players off without actually ever properly watching them play.
They have an opinion on walcot that is based entirely on what other people say or the latest bandwagon to be on.... I struggle to take people seriously on players unless they have been in a stadium and seen them play.
I remember many many people arguing with me about ronaldo when I was telling them he was the most amazing fotballer I had ever seen when the general consensus was he was a bit of a show pony - I saw him tear villa apart at villa park in his first season - his work rate, aggresion, brain were there to see yet for a good couple of years i kept hearing "he wont make it in the premiership","no fnal ball", "one trick showpony", cant cross the ball, "too much of a lightweight" ect ect. Im not putting walcot up with ronaldo I promise you - but Walcot and ronaldo are the two young players who have really blown me away in the flesh - they look different when they are running to anyone else I have seen. You just get a sense when they are on the pitch that something pretty special could happen....im afraid I dont get that feeling with larson, although I admit I have only seen him in the flesh once in an arsenal carling cup game - he was fucking dreadfull in that one I havnt seen that much of him for Birmingham because they are a bit too ugly to watch - I just pick dan in my fantasy side and ignore birmingham till the clean sheet bonus comes in....really hope they go down
[Edited on 10-01-2011 by Dr Pepper]
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David Beckham was lazy apparently - Beckham is slow but a brilliant crosser and dead ball spcialist
Andy Cole couldnt score into an open net - Andy Cole is a goal machine
Ferdinand is a donkey - Dodgy back depending, one of the best (Defenders not donkeys)
Lampard is Fat - Maybe so, but you can't argue with the facts!
Rooney is dumb - Hardly, hes a scouser, camera in your face after 90 min. Does alright for himself. Besides, his job is a footballer, not a brain surgeon.
Ashley Cole was apparantly good going forward but crap at defending. - Meh
I just dont think its true to say Walcot is shit when he is blatently in the top percentage of young footballers in the world right now - and he is proving it regularly - See first post!
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See i don't think Theo has a great footballing brain. The type of final ball is more often wrong than right. I find i'm screaming at the tv hoping he puts in a low fast ball across the face of goal for someone to get on the end of it. But he doesn't do it, he puts a ball in too high and the chance comes to nothing.
I just feel he's wasted playing out wide. He needs to be put up top as he can finish very well.
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Walcott is not in the top percentage of young footballers FFS
He made a name for himself by being an expensive teenager that got took to a World Cup stupidly. It has hampered his stop-start progress and he will never be even a tenth of the player Henry was because although he has the speed, which is frightening, he lacks both the decision making and technique required to be world class.
He'll kick about mid-table Premiership sides once Arsene has attempted to justify his hefty price tag for the fifteen time then slowly dwindle away as his pace declines.
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Dr Pepper
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David Beckham was lazy apparently - Beckham is slow but a brilliant crosser and dead ball spcialist
Andy Cole couldnt score into an open net - Andy Cole is a goal machine
Ferdinand is a donkey - Dodgy back depending, one of the best (Defenders not donkeys)
Lampard is Fat - Maybe so, but you can't argue with the facts!
Rooney is dumb - Hardly, hes a scouser, camera in your face after 90 min. Does alright for himself. Besides, his job is a footballer, not a brain surgeon.
Ashley Cole was apparantly good going forward but crap at defending. - Meh
I just dont think its true to say Walcot is shit when he is blatently in the top percentage of young footballers in the world right now - and he is proving it regularly - See first post!
I know all that - I was saying that people were constantly saying those stupid things about them - just because everyone was on the same bandwagon ...... those were not my opinions of those players
[Edited on 10-01-2011 by Dr Pepper]
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Dr Pepper
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Walcott is not in the top percentage of young footballers FFS
He made a name for himself by being an expensive teenager that got took to a World Cup stupidly. It has hampered his stop-start progress and he will never be even a tenth of the player Henry was because although he has the speed, which is frightening, he lacks both the decision making and technique required to be world class.
He'll kick about mid-table Premiership sides once Arsene has attempted to justify his hefty price tag for the fifteen time then slowly dwindle away as his pace declines.
No - he made a name for himself as he has better assists/goals to game stats than prettty much every young player, and many established players in his position.
He has scored and created crucial goals in the league, all the cups, the champs league and for England. He doesnt just have pace - he has the ability to stick the ball in the net at the end, or look for a good pass in the middle - 20 plus assists in the top level of football is a damn good return fr the amount of 90 minutes he has played, much better than nani, valencia, jarvis, pederson, larson ect have managed in similar games
Imo he has already paid back his price tag - which by trhe way was less than has been paid for the like of wright phillips, valencia ect.
He is making his name and reputation right now - this is his best year, last year he was better than the year before that,
Hes young, hes getting better - his career stats are already very good - better than most ...the only problem he has is injury -If he stays fit he will be at top clubs for the rest ofhis career
You find it laughable to say he is in the top percentage ofyoung footballers- so tell me which young players would you rather have as a right sided attacking player than walcot? - I doubt you can come up with many
[Edited on 10-01-2011 by Dr Pepper]
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I know all that - I was saying that people were constantly saying those stupid things about them - just because everyone was on the same bandwagon ...... those were not my opinions of those players
I know, I just wanted to express my opnion
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Walcott is not in the top percentage of young footballers FFS
He made a name for himself by being an expensive teenager that got took to a World Cup stupidly. It has hampered his stop-start progress and he will never be even a tenth of the player Henry was because although he has the speed, which is frightening, he lacks both the decision making and technique required to be world class.
He'll kick about mid-table Premiership sides once Arsene has attempted to justify his hefty price tag for the fifteen time then slowly dwindle away as his pace declines.
No - he made a name for himself as he has better assists/goals to game stats than prettty much every young player, and many established players in his position.
He has scored and created crucial goals in the league, all the cups, the champs league and for England. He doesnt just have pace - he has the ability to stick the ball in the net at the end, or look for a good pass in the middle - 20 plus assists in the top level of football is a damn good return fr the amount of 90 minutes he has played, much better than nani, valencia, jarvis, pederson, larson ect have managed in similar games
Imo he has already paid back his price tag - which by trhe way was less than has been paid for the like of wright phillips, valencia ect.
He is making his name and reputation right now - this is his best year, last year he was better than the year before that,
Hes young, hes getting better - his career stats are already very good - better than most ...the only problem he has is injury -If he stays fit he will be at top clubs for the rest ofhis career
You find it laughable to say he is in the top percentage ofyoung footballers- so tell me which young players would you rather have as a right sided attacking player than walcot? - I doubt you can come up with many
[Edited on 10-01-2011 by Dr Pepper]
Your problem is you can't see beyond the end of your nose. Lionel Messi and Cristiano Ronaldo have been in and amongst the best players in the world since they were younger than Walcott is now, both right sided attackers.
Also why does it have to be a young player? There are possibly 20, if not more, right wingers with a better end product than Walcott plying their trade in the top leagues in Europe.
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Quite a few in the Championship 
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