Corsa_Sport21
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Registered: 13th Apr 08
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I actually questioned him as to why he went for a diesel.I said the scientists over on Corsasport reckon it would take 12k miles to see any saving.
Then he came out with how the more expensive diesel lasts him longer.Felt like a right tit.
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3CorsaMeal
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my mate used to drive his porsche 911 turbo to work and was costing him £100 a week, he now takes the sit on lawnmower and costs £30 a week.
both petrol
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Ash_EP3
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Registered: 15th May 07
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Unless your doing loads and loads of miles I wouldn't even consider a diesel... they drive horrible, sound horrible and they have to have forced induction to keep with average cars  I was driving my dads Saab 1.9 TTDI Aero a couple of times whilst my car was being resprayed and it wasn't anywhere near as nice/fun to drive as the Civic (although it was much quieter  )
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Steve
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Registered: 30th Mar 02
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thats also true, a na diesel doesn not usually beat a n/a petrol on performance
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dannymccann
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Wouldn't go back to a petrol car unless you paid me, and I only do 8k a year, prefer the way it drives
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Fad
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Registered: 1st Feb 01
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Petrols drive so much nicer and cleaner than diesels without a doubt! Love getting back into a decent petrol.
You dont have to do 12k a year to make a saving on buying a diesel, firstly its depreciation is lower, tax is lower and they generally have longer servicing intervals too.
The only time a diesel is costly is when they go wrong.
There is no reason a diesel cant be quick as the equivilant petrol on track, anyone remeber the Touring car Seats? The reason they are not used is they are boring as fuck with a narow power band and not very flexible.
Going from several VAG diesels to a BM you can see how much diesel technology has progressed as the 320d drives more like a petrol being smooth and linear rather than a single punch like anything PD.
Wont be long till diesels will be more propular out on track I reckon sepecially with how cheap 335d's can be had for now 
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Steve
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i would say its harder to drive a diesel hard on track, unless it has very customised power delivery, you have barely any control over throttle modulation with great lumps of power coming in all over the place, also you dont have so much control or flexibility using engine braking
[Edited on 03-05-2011 by Steve]
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Fad
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Engine braking is true enough but you will find with bigger capacity diesels they do drive more progressively as they have more torque and dont require a shove in the back like smaller capacity engines.
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LeeM
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i prefer petrol over diesel to drive and to work on.
i know of at least 1 F1 team doing research into diesel though
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sand-eel
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Originally posted by BluKoo
'mon the LPG & 70p per litre! 
In the end LPGs use more fuel so you are prob saving 20p a litre, but still cheaper 
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sand-eel
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If you care that much about MPG get an old diesel with 2 fuel tanks (a small one for diesel and the origional for used veg oil) people in 20MPG shoguns were doing equivalent of over 200MPG as they only used a few litres of bought diesel
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Phil W
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I like driving my diesel, however it doesn't sound particularly good.
I don't find myself wanting to go out for random spirited drives any more, but its costing me less
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emicen
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Registered: 26th Jul 10
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quote:
Originally posted by Steve
i would say its harder to drive a diesel hard on track, unless it has very customised power delivery, you have barely any control over throttle modulation with great lumps of power coming in all over the place, also you dont have so much control or flexibility using engine braking
[Edited on 03-05-2011 by Steve]
Disagree.
My 320d was no more difficult to drive on track than my Mini. Only issue was 3rd was a sniff too short for one straight between corners. But that's equally true on the road and if it was the 5sp box it wouldn't have been an issue.
Engine braking is an issue on any turbocharged car really compared to NA, not diesel specific. I can see why the BTCC guys are having issues but on lesser powered cars its not really a problem.
Lumps of power is an interesting one, more applicable to VAG units that have a surgey delivery.
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smcGSI16V
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Registered: 26th May 03
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I do 16k a year, and I save about 40% over what I was paying out altogether.
And my Deisel is pretty fucking awesome on a track, you just have to drive them different.
I probably wont ever go back to petrol.
Also depends on which diesel car you buy and are comparing to a petrol car.
[Edited on 03-05-2011 by smcGSI16V]
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Bart
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Registered: 19th Aug 02
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Alot of people slating diesels, im interested to know what they're comparing it to.
I bought my first diesel last year (535D M Sport, twin turbo 270bhp) and have to say its one of the best cars ive ever driven.
Excellent performance, excellent luxury and good MPG (not amazing, but good), better than my previous 318 and better than the wifes TT Quattro.
[Edited on 03-05-2011 by Bart]
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Steve
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Registered: 30th Mar 02
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must admit im comparing it to my fabia vrs, my puma is undoubtably far better on track
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A2H GO
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Registered: 14th Sep 04
Location: Stoke
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quote:
Originally posted by smcGSI16V
I do 16k a year, and I save about 40% over what I was paying out altogether.
And my Deisel is pretty fucking awesome on a track, you just have to drive them different.
I probably wont ever go back to petrol.
Also depends on which diesel car you buy and are comparing to a petrol car.
[Edited on 03-05-2011 by smcGSI16V]
888 to VXR, fuel wise I can't imagine you would save a great deal at anything less than 10k miles a year.
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Adam-D
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my omega was getting 25mpg.- damaged manifold - being driven nice
my 328 e46 was getting 25mpg - mixed driving
my audi 1.9tdi gets 40 - 45mpg mixed driveing.
i was putting £120 in the omega a month im now putting in 70 - 80 max a month.
so there is a saving.
plus with the audi being slow, and if i floor it chucking out smoke makes me feel bad to the poor sod behind me,..
it has slowed my everyday driving down.
i dont overtake as much. or gun if for the sake of it all the time.
it all depends on what you buy, the miles you do,. and what your camparing it to,
i wouldnt compare it to my 5 as that'd just be silly.
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Ash_EP3
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I'll admit if I did buy a diesel it would have to be sporty/semi-sporty (Astra 1.9CDTI SRI / BMW 330/335D) as they are the only ones worth buying for performance / economy but they aren't cheap to buy!!!
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DaveyLC
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Originally posted by Steve
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Originally posted by DaveyLC
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Originally posted by A2H GO
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Originally posted by AndyKent
Diesel drives better tho
Debatable.
When talking about small CC cars the diesel wins every time!
maybe in a traffic light GP or up a hill, but take it on a track, different story
DAMN I knew I should have got the petrol version!!
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DaveyLC
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I think people need to look past the instant savings and think about the long term:
Economy
Common rail diesel engines are FAR more efficient then their equivilent petrol cousins, even hybrids find it hard to keep up! Yeah you might only save a few quid if you are doing short journeys but think of how long you'll be driving between fill ups.. time is money and all that
Insurance
Diesels tend to be cheaper to insure, they are the sensible choice and (at present anyway) a lower risk category in most cases.
Emissions
I'm sure nobody really cares *BUT* when it comes to paying for your TAX there are loads of common rail diesels that fall into the £30 bracket and just about every other modern diesel will be a lower bracket than its petrol cousin.
Residuals
In the current climate diesels sell better, its a fact! Yeah they are more expensive to buy but they depreciate far less and are easier to shift.
Reliability
Due to the nature of a diesel engine running on principal pre-igniton and not revving so high they are inherently stronger and generally last longer. Granted injectors and turbos can be a heafty cost if they fail.
IMHO most people who can't see the benefits have never owned one, its the same as the whole "I hate motorcyclists" rant which always seems to be by someone who's never ridden a bike on the road.
Open your minds
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adiohead
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Originally posted by Steve
must admit im comparing it to my fabia vrs, my puma is undoubtably far better on track
The Puma is one of the best handling fwd cars, imo.
What they need to make is a diesel engine which is light and powerful, then whack it in a decent chassis.
Think that's why the mk6 Fiesta Zetec-S tdci was so popular.
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DaveyLC
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Originally posted by adiohead
[What they need to make is a diesel engine which is light and powerful,
Pug 1.6 16v HDI? The 206 GTi HDi is pretty impressive 
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adiohead
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Originally posted by adiohead
[What they need to make is a diesel engine which is light and powerful,
Pug 1.6 16v HDI? The 206 GTi HDi is pretty impressive
yeah, that's the same engine in the mk6 fiesta zetec-s tdci (i think)
EDIT - yes it is, my brain is still working! yay
[Edited on 04-05-2011 by adiohead]
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mwg
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Just buy what ever makes you happy and works best for you. Personal preference.
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