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29th Sep 11 at 13:26

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Originally posted by chrisritch
so its a pointless thread of you telling us a more powerful car is faster on the straights?

see... you clearly arent understanding what i was try to show.

Of course a car doing 130 compared to 110 is FASTER...

or did you mean quicker?

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29th Sep 11 at 13:28

quote:
Originally posted by Chris x

quote:
Originally posted by AK

quote:
Originally posted by adiohead
I would still like an R32 GTR, even though they are slow

very good.

dont think i've ever desired to own to a Seat Leon
Thats fucking harsh m8

hey

dont dish out shit if you cant take it

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29th Sep 11 at 13:28

more power = faster terminal speed.

i thought you meant power conpared to laptimes

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29th Sep 11 at 13:29

quote:
Originally posted by chris_uk
more power = faster terminal speed.

i thought you meant power conpared to laptimes

your avatar has me in stitches every fucking time

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29th Sep 11 at 13:33

nope, as I know that a 200bhp Fiesta can be driven round a circuit quicker than a Ferrari driven by a donkey.

I used these laps/plots as the corner speeds are near equal for the lap - the only differences are really on the straights.

I didnt conduct this as a test..... as the laps were done 1 year apart

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29th Sep 11 at 13:37

I thought it was pretty obvious really, even without looking at logs when I had my little Fiesta I was able to keep with Focus RS's around twisty sections of track, soon as a straight comes into it they fucked off. Just a simpler version of what you are saying isn't it?

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29th Sep 11 at 13:37

Jesus Christ AK got his work cut out with you lot

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29th Sep 11 at 13:39

I don't understand the point he is trying to make though

More power means she's faster down the straights, they go around the corner at the same speeds, that's fairly obvious, I can't see any other point being made here?

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29th Sep 11 at 13:40

fees = 420bhp/tonne
yours = 250bhp/tonne

even without looking at any data you would of been able to tell which is going to be faster at the end of a straight.

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29th Sep 11 at 13:41

you're nearly there Graham....

but by HOW MUCH TIME??!!?

I actually have an overlaid vid from this - but dont think i can get onto youtube to find it

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29th Sep 11 at 13:42

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Originally posted by chris_uk
fees = 420bhp/tonne
yours = 250bhp/tonne

even without looking at any data you would of been able to tell which is going to be faster at the end of a straight.

yes

but how much quicker over that certain straight???

I'm not makign any points about a more powerfull car being FASTER

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29th Sep 11 at 13:44

Could be any figure for how much time, which is where all the other variables come into it.

You are treating this as the cars are exactly the same, with the exception of the straights, hence the one with more power goes quicker and 'quicker' will increase with power.

Although to a lesser amount than the extra power, the fact it's 2 different drivers in completely different cars will also be causing some of that.

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29th Sep 11 at 13:44

right i get you now.. you want to know how much time you gain by having x amount more power.

wouldnt you be better looking at similar cars on a drag strip and comparing times etc?

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29th Sep 11 at 13:45

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Originally posted by AK
you're nearly there Graham....

but by HOW MUCH TIME??!!?

I actually have an overlaid vid from this - but dont think i can get onto youtube to find it

So basically because Knockhill has 4 main straights, through the power difference she is getting a second up on you on each straight, despite you being able to brake later due to a slower terminal speed. Thus being 4 seconds a head per lap, which is quite alot for such a small circuit.

So basically, you need more power/balls/tyres?

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29th Sep 11 at 13:45

quote:
Originally posted by Ojc
Jesus Christ AK got his work cut out with you lot

sorry elite

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29th Sep 11 at 13:46

Also, you could have the same power as Fee but you'll lose more through the drivetrain won't you? I seem to remember you mentioning the GTR is mostly RWD until it goes wrong whereas yours is constantly 4WD, yes?

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29th Sep 11 at 13:47

video comparison (cant remember if its full laps or just corners

cant view it)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VFPV_ZTyFk

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29th Sep 11 at 13:49

Hard to see the track in Fee's due to being a small video, but she seems alot smoother aswell, your car is bouncing everywhere and sliding hers just looks calm

Better driver IMO

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29th Sep 11 at 13:50

quote:
Originally posted by chris_uk
right i get you now.. you want to know how much time you gain by having x amount more power.

wouldnt you be better looking at similar cars on a drag strip and comparing times etc?

no i dont want to know anything - i didnt ask a question.

I have data for these 2 cars under those conditions

I'm simply showing that a 600bhp GTR is 4.5secs a lap quicker than a 300bhp Impreza when the corners are taken at nearly the same speed.

You could use the same model with Umar and Jimmy if they did the same corner speeds - but they didnt as the slower (less powerfull car) was quicker over a lap.

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29th Sep 11 at 13:56

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Originally posted by Graham88
Hard to see the track in Fee's due to being a small video, but she seems alot smoother aswell, your car is bouncing everywhere and sliding hers just looks calm

Better driver IMO

she is much smoother, yes

my car is bouncing all over as its using a lot more kerb

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29th Sep 11 at 13:58

quote:
Originally posted by AK

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Originally posted by adiohead
I would still like an R32 GTR, even though they are slow

very good.

dont think i've ever desired to own to a Seat Leon

That's a good thing, they're nothing but a pain in the arse to own. Sensor faults everywhere

R32 GTR in grey and totally standard would suit me

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29th Sep 11 at 13:58

"how much is gained from more power" certainly seems like a question to me..

im having a hard time because like graham said it seems obvious.

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29th Sep 11 at 13:59

quote:
Originally posted by Graham88

quote:
Originally posted by AK
you're nearly there Graham....

but by HOW MUCH TIME??!!?

I actually have an overlaid vid from this - but dont think i can get onto youtube to find it

So basically because Knockhill has 4 main straights, through the power difference she is getting a second up on you on each straight, despite you being able to brake later due to a slower terminal speed. Thus being 4 seconds a head per lap, which is quite alot for such a small circuit.

So basically, you need more power/balls/tyres?

i dont think my driving lacks 'balls' - perhaps it lacks calmness.

KH has 2 main straights and 1 medium

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29th Sep 11 at 14:01

quote:
Originally posted by chris_uk
"how much is gained from more power" certainly seems like a question to me..

im having a hard time because like graham said it seems obvious.

its a statement.

"how much is gained from more power?" would be a question

I'm not being pedantic with that by the way.

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29th Sep 11 at 14:03

Chris - to answer the obvious bit

So you knew that a 600bhp GTR was 4.5secs quicker over a lap oh KH even when the corner speeds were roughly the same?

Thats amazing

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