Ian
Site Administrator
Registered: 28th Aug 99
Location: Liverpool
User status: Offline
|
What is this M division?
They designed some changes and they were fitted on the same production line by the same staff in the case of the E46. Can't find information relating to the E90 but for me it's no different to the touring going through there and being fitted with a tailgate instead of a boot lid.
Shell comes rolling towards you, fit the bits according to the build manifest.
M Division is a team of clever guys, right.
So is the interface team who program the sat nav. Where is the N division who design sat nav all day? They don't get wanky slashes now.
|
Ian
Site Administrator
Registered: 28th Aug 99
Location: Liverpool
User status: Offline
|
ie.
quote:
The E46 M3 was produced on the normal 3 Series production line at the Regensburg factory near Munich.
http://www.bmwmregistry.com/model_faq.php?id=19
quote:
All 3.0-liter E36 M3s were built on the regular 3 Series assembly line at the Regensburg factory near Munich with the excpetion of a small batch of coupes assembled in South Africa from German-supplied Semi Knocked-Down kits during late 1993 and early 1994 exclusively for that market.
http://www.bmwmregistry.com/model_faq.php?id=14
So the only M3 that didn't go down the same line was a small number of South African E36s which were assembled by South Africans in a South African factory.
Hardly massively differentiated during production then.
|
tom_simes
Show Staff
Organiser: South Wales
Premium Member
Registered: 12th Jan 05
Location: Undy, Newport Drives: Skoda Octavia vRS estate
User status: Offline
|
quote:
Originally posted by Ian
Where is the N division who design sat nav all day? They don't get wanky slashes now.
|
Ian
Site Administrator
Registered: 28th Aug 99
Location: Liverpool
User status: Offline
|
M3 production line - http://community.evo.co.uk/users/gr8000/photos/index.cfm/BMW-M3-Production-Line---Spy-Pics/photo/page/0
Looks like any other production line to me. Probably staffed by some senior people because it's a bit of a privilege but they're not motorsport technicians poached from Formula 1.
|
whitter45
Member
Registered: 15th Nov 02
Location: Norton
User status: Offline
|
think your missing point
The M division design the spec of the components. How its built is irrelevant TBH. They don't state its made on a special production line they state that the components are engineered by a separate M division some of which work sin conjunction with what used to be the F1 team - that's were the E60 V10 and current E90/92 v8 engines come from
Your paying for the spec of components. i.e engine, transmission suspension, LSD etc etc. Therefore the high specification of components allow them to differentiate it
Its worse with Audi
They have the s series and then the RS series. I.e S5 is now V6 supercharged and RS5 is v8
If you stand by your argument then its applies to every main stream manufacturer i.e vauxhall. Whats all this VXR stuff. Just bigger wheels, turbo engine etc - even that has its own development
Your argument does not stand and if it wasn't a BMW topic then you wouldn't get yourself in a hissy fit over it
What do you make of that
[Edited on 06-10-2011 by whitter45]
[Edited on 06-10-2011 by whitter45]
|
R Lee
Member
Registered: 15th Aug 03
User status: Offline
|
I don't think Ian likes slashes 
|
adiohead
Member
Registered: 28th Sep 01
User status: Offline
|
It's a bit like how the mk5 Zetec-S was a much better can than the normal 1.25 or 1.4 Zetec.
Plus, it came in imperial blue.
|
Jake
Member
Registered: 24th Jan 05
User status: Offline
|
quote:
Originally posted by adiohead
It's a bit like how the mk5 Zetec-S was a much better can than the normal 1.25 or 1.4 Zetec.
Plus, it came in imperial blue.
except all three of them are shit
|
mwg
Member
Registered: 19th Feb 04
Location: South Lakes
User status: Offline
|
quote:
Originally posted by Jake
quote:
Originally posted by adiohead
It's a bit like how the mk5 Zetec-S was a much better can than the normal 1.25 or 1.4 Zetec.
Plus, it came in imperial blue.
except all three of them are shit
|
Fad
Member
Registered: 1st Feb 01
Location: Dartford Kent Drives: 330cd
User status: Offline
|
quote:
Originally posted by Ian
ie.
quote:
The E46 M3 was produced on the normal 3 Series production line at the Regensburg factory near Munich.
http://www.bmwmregistry.com/model_faq.php?id=19
quote:
All 3.0-liter E36 M3s were built on the regular 3 Series assembly line at the Regensburg factory near Munich with the excpetion of a small batch of coupes assembled in South Africa from German-supplied Semi Knocked-Down kits during late 1993 and early 1994 exclusively for that market.
http://www.bmwmregistry.com/model_faq.php?id=14
So the only M3 that didn't go down the same line was a small number of South African E36s which were assembled by South Africans in a South African factory.
Hardly massively differentiated during production then.
So then just negate the hours spent designing and developing the parts and technology, road testing, engine tuning etc. So in essense beacuse it is ASSEMBLED in the same area as the other models it must be hype and bullshit.
Ian you are entitled to your opinion but its clearly so far off the mark its unreal right now just because you have a bee in your bonnet over the brand.
|
adiohead
Member
Registered: 28th Sep 01
User status: Offline
|
quote:
Originally posted by mwg
quote:
Originally posted by Jake
quote:
Originally posted by adiohead
It's a bit like how the mk5 Zetec-S was a much better can than the normal 1.25 or 1.4 Zetec.
Plus, it came in imperial blue.
except all three of them are shit
wrong. The best car I will ever have owned
|
Ian
Site Administrator
Registered: 28th Aug 99
Location: Liverpool
User status: Offline
|
Still don't think you would wank over it if it didn't have a different name.
Same as people buy VXRs because they're somehow differentiated from the others.
Same as RS Sierras are worth ten times what regular ones are.
Same as I'm planning to rebuild a GSi when I take apart Sports for fun.
Racing Puma isn't that much better than a regular one and they're massively more expensive. HSV is another example. Land Rover even do it.
I'm not missing the point at all. I'm familiar with the behaviour of other manufacturers and the car buying public at large. Which is why it's all the more obvious to me that additional badges are at least in some part a marketing exercise.
It's heritage, marketing and hype, and people including me fall for it. And in answer to the original question, the 335 is nearly as good as a 340.
If I'm wide of the mark why isn't it called that.
|
BarnshaW
Member
Registered: 25th Oct 06
User status: Offline
|
i dont understand? its nearly as good as an M3 but the fact is it is not? i hate the whole slash m3 thing but i can understand the point in it, as mentioned no different from AMG or RS etc.
I think the badge just represents the extra work and parts the car uses? more of a statement
|
SetH
Member
Registered: 15th Jul 01
User status: Offline
|
quote:
Originally posted by Fad
quote:
Originally posted by Ian
Being cynical, I would put a lot of the differentiation down to marketing.
I would guess the M3 drives better but probably only £10k better if you put stupid wanky slashes before the letter M and consider the M3 a different car because the guy gets stuff out of a box with stripes on when it comes down the production line with all the others.
Hmmmm synical as you are there differences are a little more than you think,
High reving tuned throttle boddied V8 vs smaller displacement stright 6 twin turbo
Wider track and differenct suspension set up vs the same set up throughout the range
M3 only car in the 3 Series ranged fitted with slip diff
M3 has Different rack and steering arms/roll bars geo and adjustability to other set ups in the range
M3 has Big Brakes all round vs Stock caliper set up throughout the range, m3 brakes use kinetic energy from the brakes to power stuff and get better MPG hence driving down emissions, overall the more technologically advanced car.
M3 has different rear beam to accomodate wider rear track and stiffer bush set uip
M3 spec wise is high as standard
M3 Bodywork completely different shares no body parts with other models (wider arches, deeper bumpers etc etc)
The only reason I know this is because I looked into fitting the M3 control arms, swy bars and suspension bushings to mine. Overall the general consensus is the car feels more focused and is less comprimised to being a conmfort/touring model. Manufcturing a model which has bespoke elements in a lot less volume than other models will cost more its not rocket science is it?
Make of it what you will but they dont hold the market in this sector for no reason.
[Edited on 04-10-2011 by Fad]
Cheers Fad 
|
Mike GSi
Member
Registered: 3rd Jan 07
Location: Ipswich, Suffolk Drives:Astra VXR
User status: Offline
|
This arguement could go on forever.
Why isnt the Ford Escort RS Cosworth Called A Ford Escort 2.0 Turbo?
Because it was re-designed by The Cosworth Divsion. Therefore it deserves the badge.
Lotus Carlton............
|
adiohead
Member
Registered: 28th Sep 01
User status: Offline
|
Lap times:
Sachsenring
///M3 1:40.60 - 252 bhp/tonne
335is ///Msport 1:44.28 - 193 bhp/tonne
[Edited on 06-10-2011 by adiohead]
|
Nath
Member
Registered: 3rd Apr 02
Location: MK
User status: Offline
|
MSPORT & MSPORT
|
mwg
Member
Registered: 19th Feb 04
Location: South Lakes
User status: Offline
|
quote:
Originally posted by adiohead
quote:
Originally posted by mwg
quote:
Originally posted by Jake
quote:
Originally posted by adiohead
It's a bit like how the mk5 Zetec-S was a much better can than the normal 1.25 or 1.4 Zetec.
Plus, it came in imperial blue.
except all three of them are shit
wrong. The best car I will ever have owned
Probably says more about the other cars you've owned TBF.
|
Jake
Member
Registered: 24th Jan 05
User status: Offline
|
quote:
Originally posted by Nath
MSPORT & MSPORT
divorce lawyers
|
adiohead
Member
Registered: 28th Sep 01
User status: Offline
|
quote:
Originally posted by Ian
Still don't think you would wank over it if it didn't have a different name.
I agree with this. If my car had been called the Seat Leon Cupra Crap, I wouldn't of bought it, but at least they'd of been honest.
I only want to own the top of the range model of whatever car I have. It's a bit(lot) snobby but they are usually the best of the range for what I desire.
|
adiohead
Member
Registered: 28th Sep 01
User status: Offline
|
quote:
Originally posted by mwg
quote:
Originally posted by adiohead
quote:
Originally posted by mwg
quote:
Originally posted by Jake
quote:
Originally posted by adiohead
It's a bit like how the mk5 Zetec-S was a much better can than the normal 1.25 or 1.4 Zetec.
Plus, it came in imperial blue.
except all three of them are shit
wrong. The best car I will ever have owned
Probably says more about the other cars you've owned TBF.
owned and driven. It was a drivers car! No.7 in the top 20 drivers' cars back in 2001.
My racing driver mate said it was better than the Cooper S too, and he drove that around the Nurburgring.
|
John
Member
Registered: 30th Jun 03
User status: Offline
|
quote:
Originally posted by adiohead
Lap times:
Sachsenring
///M3 1:40.60 - 252 bhp/tonne
335is ///Msport 1:44.28 - 193 bhp/tonne
Do these figures state that a car with more power goes round a track quicker?
|
mwg
Member
Registered: 19th Feb 04
Location: South Lakes
User status: Offline
|
quote:
Originally posted by adiohead
owned and driven. It was a drivers car! No.7 in the top 20 drivers' cars back in 2001.
My racing driver mate said it was better than the Cooper S too, and he drove that around the Nurburgring.
we are in the year 2011 now mate I'm sure Nokia mobile phones were pretty good back then too.
|
Nath
Member
Registered: 3rd Apr 02
Location: MK
User status: Offline
|
quote:
Originally posted by John
quote:
Originally posted by adiohead
Lap times:
Sachsenring
///M3 1:40.60 - 252 bhp/tonne
335is ///Msport 1:44.28 - 193 bhp/tonne
Do these figures state that a car with more power goes round a track quicker?
What tyres did they both have?
|
John
Member
Registered: 30th Jun 03
User status: Offline
|
Don't think it matters 
|
