JonnyJ
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Again, its not that uncommon for suicidal people to speak about the future and such. It's such a misunderstood area, I think you have to be in that position to fully understand how you can make that decision.
Absoloutely nothing would have led me to believe that the family member I lost this way would have taken his life the night I left for work. We did all the usual stuff we normally did on a Saturday and if anything he seemed happier than he'd been for a while. Remember that if there was something he'd been battling for a while knowing that it was all to be over soon and he was clear in his mind for the first time would be a relief.
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Tommy L
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Truly shocked. One of footballs true professional.
R.i.p speedy
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JonnyJ
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Shay Given, just wiping away tears as he came into the pitch 
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Nath
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Shay Given, just wiping away tears as he came into the pitch
heart wrenching to see
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Nismo
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RIP, but selfish to leave wife and kids imo.
Theres always other options to suicide
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Marc
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Originally posted by Nismo
RIP, but selfish to leave wife and kids imo.
Theres always other options to suicide
Any suicide is selfish, as Jonny said, we don't know the facts. Clearly something personal.
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Nismo
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RIP, but selfish to leave wife and kids imo.
Theres always other options to suicide
Any suicide is selfish, as Jonny said, we don't know the facts. Clearly something personal.
No and im sure we will only ever know what somebody wants you to know.
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Originally posted by JonnyJ
Again, its not that uncommon for suicidal people to speak about the future and such. It's such a misunderstood area, I think you have to be in that position to fully understand how you can make that decision.
Absoloutely nothing would have led me to believe that the family member I lost this way would have taken his life the night I left for work. We did all the usual stuff we normally did on a Saturday and if anything he seemed happier than he'd been for a while. Remember that if there was something he'd been battling for a while knowing that it was all to be over soon and he was clear in his mind for the first time would be a relief.
I can totally relate to this. I have also lost a very close family member to suicide and it creates feelings like no other kind of loss. It throws up so many unanswered questions. Shocking Times.
Just saw something on Twitter which pretty much sums up Gary Speed for me, universally respected.
'Played for Leeds, Liked by United Fans, Played for Everton and liked by Liverpool fans'
[Edited on 27-11-2011 by --DAN--]
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JonnyJ
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RIP, but selfish to leave wife and kids imo.
Theres always other options to suicide
Is there? You wouldn't know until you're staring that option in the face yourself. Ever considered that for them, there is no other option? You make it sound like an easy decision. I can't possibly imagine how dark his world must have been to decide to end his life because I've never been there fortunately, obviously to him, there were no other options, and he's decided to make the ultimate sacrifice.
The only suicide I'd count as selfish is those done to spite people. Other than that I think its best to keep an open mind as we have no idea the demons that were in his head. Is divuldge more about what I saw my family member go through but I don't particularly want to post about it here. Never would I consider it selfish though when I read the things he said about what was going on in his head, just glad he's at peace now.
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/15911120.stm
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Aaron
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This sounds like a very sad situation, however, my opinion of suicide is that it's a permanent solution to a temporary problem. Unless he had a secret terminal illness, what else could have the problem possibly been to cause him to do something so drastic?
Personally speaking, and I aren't saying I'm right (because it's an opinion, not fact), I think suicide is a selfish act.
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AndyCorsaSport
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This sounds like a very sad situation, however, my opinion of suicide is that it's a permanent solution to a temporary problem. Unless he had a secret terminal illness, what else could have the problem possibly been to cause him to do something so drastic?
Could be anything tbh, all people are different, you see people with cancer 2/3/4 times over who keep batteling on, others just feel suicide will be a better way out, a friend of mines dad hung himself 3 days before xmas 2 years ago, cause his wife was seeing someone else. Such a simple thing, he could have gotten over it, could have moved on, but that was his choice. He decorated out living room the week before and was absolutely fine, laughing and joking showing me jokes on his phone.
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Nismo
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Originally posted by Nismo
RIP, but selfish to leave wife and kids imo.
Theres always other options to suicide
Is there? You wouldn't know until you're staring that option in the face yourself. Ever considered that for them, there is no other option? You make it sound like an easy decision. I can't possibly imagine how dark his world must have been to decide to end his life because I've never been there fortunately, obviously to him, there were no other options, and he's decided to make the ultimate sacrifice.
The only suicide I'd count as selfish is those done to spite people. Other than that I think its best to keep an open mind as we have no idea the demons that were in his head. Is divuldge more about what I saw my family member go through but I don't particularly want to post about it here. Never would I consider it selfish though when I read the things he said about what was going on in his head, just glad he's at peace now.
Yes there always is an option, Leaving kids to live with the fact that there dad would rather die than be there for them, that is never the answer.
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Nath
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The worst bit is letting a family member find you hanging. What a disturbing image that must be.
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cecil
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As jonny says you never know what is going through ppls minds. We had my brothers best mate who hung himself 5 yrs ago in november, didnt even hint at been depressed or moody or anything. he had a shower ironed his clothes then did it.its not really them been selfish as they most prob no longer have control over their mental/emotional state
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Ben G
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disgusting to do that to your wife and kids so close to xmas, they will never be able to get over that.
rip, terrible news but what an utter prick.
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cecil
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Disagree with the selfish comment! not always as clear as that.
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Pop
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Shocked when I heard earlier. He gave his all for the 3 and a bit years he was with us at Bolton. RIP.
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Not what i would ever do tbh but then he has pressure 10x what i will ever experiance
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JonnyJ
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disgusting to do that to your wife and kids so close to xmas, they will never be able to get over that.
rip, terrible news but what an utter prick.
How incredibly ignorant, I'm sure you know exactly what was going through his head and exactly how bad it was. Let's just hope it never happens to someone close to you. Be a bit awkward with you at thier funeral calling them "an utter prick" think before you type Ben. You might not agree with me but now is not really the time to pass judgement, a respected man has died and a wife and children have lost thier husband/dad. Have a bit of respect.
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All the people who are saying its selfish are looking at it from a logical point of view and I can completely understand why you'd think that, but you have to remember he isn't thinking the same way, to do something like that, with the exception of those who do it out of spite, shows that something is not working right in his head. It's a mental issue and unless you've suffered from it I don't think you can appreciate the power of depression.
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Ben G
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disgusting to do that to your wife and kids so close to xmas, they will never be able to get over that.
rip, terrible news but what an utter prick.
How incredibly ignorant, I'm sure you know exactly what was going through his head and exactly how bad it was. Let's just hope it never happens to someone close to you. Be a bit awkward with you at thier funeral calling them "an utter prick" think before you type Ben. You might not agree with me but now is not really the time to pass judgement, a respected man has died and a wife and children have lost thier husband/dad. Have a bit of respect.
i'm giving my opinion. sorry you don't agree. i say things how i see them, would you rather me be a sheep and follow the crowd?
he was a fantastic man yes and i remember him playing in the good old days, hence why it's a shock to us all, but it's still very selfish to do such a thing.
i'm not the only one who thinks it, just the only one who seems to have the balls to say what they're thinking.
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JonnyJ
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I don't give a fuck if you don't agree, does it need expressing in an thread about a man who has tragically lost his life though? Think!
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Ben G
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apologies, i saw everyone else throwing conspiracies about his death around and thought i could actually comment about it, like others have.
next time i'll just stick a meaningless R.I.P in.
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JonnyJ
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Of course you can have an opinion, just dont expect everyone to agree when they're as extreme as yours. I've only said keep an open mind as not one of us has a clue as to the circumstances as to why he decided to do this yet, so I think its way too early to wade in branding the man an utter prick.
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