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How else do you want to deal with it? pretend it doesnt happen?
it has, does and always will unfortunately and to whomever the unfortunate victim is, they will have to deal with it, in terms of doing all they can with the authorities to catch the fucker
[Edited on 05-03-2012 by Steve]
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Lawrah
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The way in which you say it, almost as if, ah well, rape happens, just get on with it. Like its no big deal.
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Its the same as any bad crime, eg. murder. Theres nothing you can do to stop it, but thers a damn site you can do to limit your chances of it happening.
Areas and times to avoid etc etc, exactly the same as rape, girls can do a lot more to prevent it happening, again im entirely not trying to put the onus on the girl to be at fault, but as said, it happens and there are ways of limiting your chances of it happening.
Unfortunately what i have ever witnessed when i have been out is seeing bevhaiour that is likely to maximise it happening
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quote:
Originally posted by Lawrah
The way in which you say it, almost as if, ah well, rape happens, just get on with it. Like its no big deal.
No im not saying that at all, its a massive deal, and its a massive subject that cant be fully expressed in a paragraph on an internet forum
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I'd hate to be a horny boy who feels he must have sex just because he's done well so far.
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Accepting drinks from someone you have just met, flaunting all over someone you have just met, Iv even been the guy in that position so i know the behaviour exists. Iv bought girls iv only just met drinks, iv had girls iv only just met all over me. Iv had random girls on a night out walking about just accept lifts off the street from me and a mate
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So doing that, means you really should have sex with them because you have accepted the previous ?
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Ian
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I've had girls all over me too  but I'll still let them sleep while I fix a database if they don't want a shag.
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Originally posted by Kerry
I dont agree with the comment
"if he gets the wrong impression its his fault not yours"
[Edited on 05-03-2012 by Kerry]
agreed
i also dont get it when he says "consent or no consent - its still rape". surely if the girl consents then its not rape 
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quote:
Originally posted by Steve
Accepting drinks from someone you have just met, flaunting all over someone you have just met, Iv even been the guy in that position so i know the behaviour exists. Iv bought girls iv only just met drinks, iv had girls iv only just met all over me. Iv had random girls on a night out walking about just accept lifts off the street from me and a mate
So girls use their sexuality to get drinks and wind the guy up?
I'm still not seeing the link. I see your point, you expect some reciprocity for your bar purchases, I just think its a tenuous one at best.
Plus it might be lighter in your house than the bar you didn't factor that in 
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Originally posted by Demo
i also dont get it when he says "consent or no consent - its still rape". surely if the girl consents then its not rape
Talking about underage?
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So doing that, means you really should have sex with them because you have accepted the previous ?
Of course it doesnt, but it also doesnt change the fact the person offering you that drink could be a rapist, you cant live in "i shouldnt have to" frame of mind.
Its not right, but its the way it is really.
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I'm happy for girls to flirt to get drinks, makes me laugh more when I don't do it if they're really trying.
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quote:
Originally posted by Ian
quote:
Originally posted by Steve
Accepting drinks from someone you have just met, flaunting all over someone you have just met, Iv even been the guy in that position so i know the behaviour exists. Iv bought girls iv only just met drinks, iv had girls iv only just met all over me. Iv had random girls on a night out walking about just accept lifts off the street from me and a mate
So girls use their sexuality to get drinks and wind the guy up?
I'm still not seeing the link. I see your point, you expect some reciprocity for your bar purchases, I just think its a tenuous one at best.
Plus it might be lighter in your house than the bar you didn't factor that in
no way, im not saying you should get anything from buying them a drink, im saying these girls are just accepting drinks that could be spiked with anything, from knowing someone for 5 minutes.
If i was a rapist, I could have probably ensared loads by now using basic methods that girls should be wiser to
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You have some valid points somewhere I'm sure
So don't accept drinks if they could be spiked - right.
What else? Don't take the drinks at all?
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Steve
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buy your own drinks or from people you trust.
or be with them at the bar when they get your drink, and dont leave it unattended.
unfortunately when hammered logic and thinking go out the window.
Thats another one, getting so hammered you arent in control of your actions
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quote:
Originally posted by Ian
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Originally posted by Demo
i also dont get it when he says "consent or no consent - its still rape". surely if the girl consents then its not rape
Talking about underage?
were they? and is not that just "underage sex". suppose either way youre getting stuck on the register
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Its easy for normal people like us to not see the issue with buying girls drinks etc, as it wouldnt even cross out minds to doing anything adverse.
But when you try and put yourself in a rapists position, think how easy it would be from some of your nights outs and encounters to be in the position of rape.
Thats only accounting for one type of rapist though the calculating one.
There is the other type, the desperate weirdo one, eg andrew
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quote:
Originally posted by Steve
buy your own drinks or from people you trust.
or be with them at the bar when they get your drink, and dont leave it unattended.
unfortunately when hammered logic and thinking go out the window.
Thats another one, getting so hammered you arent in control of your actions
I would hope the majority of girls would be aware of what to do on a night out, but those without a brain cells do not deserve a raping do they. Its almost defending the actions of these people that spike girls and force themself apon them "well she accepted the drink, she deserves it", Just see the argument as ridiculous.
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Steve
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No they dont deserve raping at all, just educating before it happens
[Edited on 05-03-2012 by Steve]
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Originally posted by Steve
No they dont deserve raping at all, just educating before it happens
[Edited on 05-03-2012 by Steve]
Do you not think there has been loads and loads of Campaigns? Coming from every angle possible.
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Steve
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yep but for whatever reason it cant be getting through to everyone.
not every rape can be avoided though
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Lawrah
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http://www.thisisnotaninvitationtorapeme.co.uk/
Going back to the point of the thread, I do not understand the negative of any anti rape campaign.
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Steve
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there isnt, is there negativity?
tbh I imagine if i ever met you in real life you would be pretty switched on so you probs find it hard to envisage some of the stupidity that some girls get up to
[Edited on 05-03-2012 by Steve]
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Lawrah
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There are many negative comments through out this thread.
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