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Jambo

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22nd Mar 12 at 22:44

Exactly. The Boxtsters aren't meant to be 911s, it's a small mid engined two seat sports car. Not an arse engined super car.

John

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22nd Mar 12 at 22:47

baza31 wouldn't even take a made up boxster.

tony2187

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22nd Mar 12 at 22:51

quote:
Originally posted by Ben G
going by your thought process, would you only buy the top of the range model of every marque?

what do you drive at the moment?

fact of the matter is that people who say a boxster is a poor mans porsche is a stereotypical prick who needs to get his brain checked.

usual culprits are people who drive small hatchbacks or mondeos.

my argument is, that if youre going to buy a porsche, buy a 911, i know boxsters are good little cars and great to drive but if it was my money, i wouldnt even consider one. Same with the Cayman, it was just built to fill a gap in the market, and its ugly from the back.

Yeah I do drive a mondeo atm

price to pay for high insurance, a mrs who loves to spend, 2 kids, big mortgage and 5 weeks abroad a year

Ben G

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22nd Mar 12 at 22:57

if you're going to buy a corsa, buy a vxr.

if you're going to buy a mondeo, buy a top spec titanium x.

you're argument if flawed.

and also there's nothing with with mondeos. my dads is still going strong even after all the beatings it's taken

good cars.

James

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22nd Mar 12 at 23:05

This was my argument earlier on. If you genuinely don't like Boxsters then fair enough.

But if you own a Mondeo and are sitting there saying you wouldn't own a Boxster because it's a poor man's Porsche, then you are an idiot.

tony2187

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22nd Mar 12 at 23:09

mines a ex-taxi, still great and for £900 its spot on, even though it does sound like a washing machine when reversing.

the opinion i have on it is that they only released it to plug a gap in the market for people who dont want to be seen in a boxster, i doubt Ferrari would release a much cheaper model just so people who cant afford one can have a ferrari, although with the california they sort of have. Horses for courses I guess but with my money I wouldnt get one.

Ben G

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22nd Mar 12 at 23:13

ferrari and porsche aren't direct competition though, totally different price brackets.

you could say someone bought an f430 because they couldn't afford a 599/612

James

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22nd Mar 12 at 23:14

I bought an Astra because I couldn't afford anything vaguely good.

tony2187

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22nd Mar 12 at 23:26

The point im making, is, if I wanted a porsche, but cant afford a 911, then I wouldnt go for the cayman. I would go for something else. Im not doubting its a good car, well built, fast, mid engined, RWD, but no thanks imho.

And the 430 argument doesnt really count, that was the best Ferrari could do at the time, then the 612 came out which was a GT car, and then the 599 which is like a stupidly fast GT car. Ferrari and porsche build supercars, and are very good at it, and the 991turboS and F430 were in the same price bracket (£125,000 base) its the new 458 which has gone up toward the 200k mark.

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22nd Mar 12 at 23:30

The thing is, both the Boxster and Cayman are probably the best in their respective classes and price range.

So surely to not go for one just because it isn't a 911 seems a bit ridiculous?

If you had £20k to spend on a 2 seater roadster or coupe, what would you get that's better than the Boxster or Cayman? I'm talking about similar age too, so you can't give an old 996 with moon miles as an example.

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22nd Mar 12 at 23:37

Thing is although its now a £15k car surely the servicing and replacement part costs are still closer to a £50k car? Its not like you can pop to the motor factors on a saturday morning and ask for a lower front arm off a Cayman is it?

tony2187

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22nd Mar 12 at 23:48

quote:
Originally posted by James
The thing is, both the Boxster and Cayman are probably the best in their respective classes and price range.

So surely to not go for one just because it isn't a 911 seems a bit ridiculous?

If you had £20k to spend on a 2 seater roadster or coupe, what would you get that's better than the Boxster or Cayman? I'm talking about similar age too, so you can't give an old 996 with moon miles as an example.

Mercedes CL600AMG or a SL, or a M3 or a Jag XK. All cant be bought a few years old in that price, all fast, look good, yeah the mercs arent going to be as reliable, but you cant ignore the power of the CL, and they were £130k+ new, and as said above, everything like that is going to be expensive for parts and service.

As i said earlier, thats my opinion, not asking anyone to agree with it, but i am entitled to it.

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23rd Mar 12 at 06:46

quote:
Originally posted by Rick Draper
Thing is although its now a £15k car surely the servicing and replacement part costs are still closer to a £50k car? Its not like you can pop to the motor factors on a saturday morning and ask for a lower front arm off a Cayman is it?

I dunno, because Porsche centres are so gay and won't touch any car even with an aftermarket Bluetooth kit there are enough specialists at half the price. Parts are obvs expensive but not that expensive compared to any other VW part. God I would love a cayman with a Remus exhaust, in red with black wheels

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23rd Mar 12 at 07:19

quote:
Originally posted by James
The thing is, both the Boxster and Cayman are probably the best in their respective classes and price range.

So surely to not go for one just because it isn't a 911 seems a bit ridiculous?

If you had £20k to spend on a 2 seater roadster or coupe, what would you get that's better than the Boxster or Cayman? I'm talking about similar age too, so you can't give an old 996 with moon miles as an example.

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23rd Mar 12 at 08:36

I never liked boxsters, however now I've looked on autotrader when checking the prices, I realised I didn't like the 996 style boxster, same as I don' like the 996.

2005 onwards boxsters are actually quite nice.

Wouldn't say a CL600 or a Jag XK is in the same bracket at all, M3 closer but still no cigar.

Jambo

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23rd Mar 12 at 08:42

I love the 996 style boxster. I dislike the 996 porsche styling, but the Boxster is such a classic design IMO.

Id love a Riviera Blue 2001/2002 Boxster S. Fucking lovely car.

Jambo

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23rd Mar 12 at 08:43

quote:
Originally posted by James
This was my argument earlier on. If you genuinely don't like Boxsters then fair enough.

But if you own a Mondeo and are sitting there saying you wouldn't own a Boxster because it's a poor man's Porsche, then you are an idiot.

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23rd Mar 12 at 09:29

I had a Boxster S for a couple of years and loved it.. All in good value porsche experience, quick too, well made.. i'd have another.. Sometimes I prefer my old boxster to my 911!

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23rd Mar 12 at 09:47

quote:
Originally posted by Jambo

quote:
Originally posted by James
This was my argument earlier on. If you genuinely don't like Boxsters then fair enough.

But if you own a Mondeo and are sitting there saying you wouldn't own a Boxster because it's a poor man's Porsche, then you are an idiot.

Sums it up pretty well tbh.

James

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23rd Mar 12 at 09:48

quote:
Originally posted by tony2187

quote:
Originally posted by James
The thing is, both the Boxster and Cayman are probably the best in their respective classes and price range.

So surely to not go for one just because it isn't a 911 seems a bit ridiculous?

If you had £20k to spend on a 2 seater roadster or coupe, what would you get that's better than the Boxster or Cayman? I'm talking about similar age too, so you can't give an old 996 with moon miles as an example.

Mercedes CL600AMG or a SL, or a M3 or a Jag XK. All cant be bought a few years old in that price, all fast, look good, yeah the mercs arent going to be as reliable, but you cant ignore the power of the CL, and they were £130k+ new, and as said above, everything like that is going to be expensive for parts and service.

As i said earlier, thats my opinion, not asking anyone to agree with it, but i am entitled to it.

You've completely missed the point. They are completely different cars.

If you had £20k to spend on a 2 seater roadster or coupe, what would you get that's better than the Boxster or Cayman? I'm talking about similar age too, so you can't give an old 996 with moon miles as an example.

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23rd Mar 12 at 09:49

Also, you are right, everyone is entitled to an opinion, which is fine. I'm just trying to get to the bottom of why people are neglecting an excellent car for no apparent reason.

Nismo

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23rd Mar 12 at 09:50

Now back on topic, You can actually get a Caymen (none S) for 13K upwards.

Yes i know you would probably want the S, but 250 od bhp from the bog go one aint to shabby!

http://www2.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201210455121721/sort/priceasc/usedcars/model/cayman/make/porsche/postcode/ba44tn/page/1/quicksearch/true/radius/1501?logcode=p

But looking around the cheapest one id actually own would be this S in gunmetal for 16k.

http://www2.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201208451832171/sort/priceasc/usedcars/model/cayman/make/porsche/postcode/ba44tn/page/2/quicksearch/true/radius/1501?logcode=p

John

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23rd Mar 12 at 09:56

Need to spend more to get one with reasonable mileage.

baza31

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23rd Mar 12 at 21:47

quote:
Originally posted by John
baza31 wouldn't even take a made up boxster.

Here we go . No I wouldn't want a boxter or cayman , because I think they look gash . Is that a problem you bell end

Munchie

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18th Sep 12 at 22:47

Back to topic children

The Cayman S is a similar price to the standard but £460 tax a year as made after 23rd March 2006 is a bit of a put off!!

I am currently debating the S to the standard Cayman due to running costs (excluding fuel)

Example shown here

http://www.grahamwalkerltd.co.uk/porsche-cayman-s-fpsh-leather-19-quot-alloys-in-chester-2222768

[Edited on 18-09-2012 by Munchie]

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