Ben G
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Registered: 12th Jan 07
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They will always find out.
Elephant charged me for an accident I didn't declare only to realise it was after the 3 year cut off point, so refunded me.
The question I got aaked was:
''have you had any accidents/made any claims in the last 3 years, regardless of fault?''
Plain and simple, you need to declare them whether it was your fault or not and whether you went through your insurance or theirs.
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LeeM
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Registered: 26th Sep 05
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but if you go through the other parties insurance, you arent claiming. the claim is in their name.
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Ben G
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I beg to differ. The non fault parties name will be on file somewhere.
I wish it wasn't like this as I could have saved a few hundred quid, but it is.
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LeeM
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Registered: 26th Sep 05
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ok, you've worked in the industry a while have you?
the name of the non fault party will be on the file yeah, so will lots of other names involved in the claim. but the person who made the claim will be the at fault driver.
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Fad
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Originally posted by LeeM
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Originally posted by Ian
Fad - they ask if you've had claims, not how you went about them.
If you manage to negotiate it well done, the rest of us get asked, tell the truth and pay more.
when asked if youve made any non fault claims, it means a claim on your own policy.
if someone crashes into you and you claim on your own policy, then your insurer reclaims the cost from the other insurer this is a non fault claim that you have made on your policy and have to declare. there are 2 claims being made, one by you on your policy and one by the third party on theirs.
if someone crashes into you and you dont contact your insurer at all, but get in touch with the other insurer, an accident management company or either of these get in touch with you and you claim directly from the third party insurer then it isnt necesary to declare this as a non fault claim.
theres no databases kept which list you as the person making the claim, because you aren't. youre involved in a single claim being made in the name of the third party driver on their policy.
even if youre both insured with the same company, there is no claim recorded in your name. no need to declare, fact.
See this is what I was getting at!
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Ben G
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Originally posted by LeeM
ok, you've worked in the industry a while have you?
the name of the non fault party will be on the file yeah, so will lots of other names involved in the claim. but the person who made the claim will be the at fault driver.
Just because you've worked somewhere doesn't mean you know everything.
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CORSA NUT
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Originally posted by Ben G
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Originally posted by LeeM
ok, you've worked in the industry a while have you?
the name of the non fault party will be on the file yeah, so will lots of other names involved in the claim. but the person who made the claim will be the at fault driver.
Just because you've worked somewhere doesn't mean you know everything.
Just because you bought an Orange ST doesn't mean everyone will copy you....
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LeeM
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but ive worked in car insurance for 4 years, i dont know everything but i know about that.
youre interpreting something the wrong way, the way they word it is deliberately misleading so that people will willingly allow their policy to be increased unnecessarily.
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Corsa_Sport21
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So has Ben G been getting ass raped by his insurance company for the last few years?? That what you are saying??
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CORSA NUT
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Originally posted by LeeM
but ive worked in car insurance for 4 years, i dont know everything but i know about that.
youre interpreting something the wrong way, the way they word it is deliberately misleading so that people will willingly allow their policy to be increased unnecessarily.
Lee Lee Lee you don't understand fella, in Ben's eyes 4 years isn't enough for you to voice your opinion.
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Ian
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Registered: 28th Aug 99
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So if I make a claim, I'm not making a claim?
Really?
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LeeM
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Originally posted by Corsa_Sport21
So has Ben G been getting ass raped by his insurance company for the last few years?? That what you are saying??
im saying its easily misinterpreted.
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LeeM
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Originally posted by Ian
So if I make a claim, I'm not making a claim?
Really?
as long as it doesnt involve your insurer, no. theres one claim set up in the name of the policy holder, your losses are included in their claim.
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mwg
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Makes sense to me LeeM.
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Ian
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Registered: 28th Aug 99
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I can see the thing about claiming on the third party's policy, I'm fully with what you're saying. I just wouldn't be comfortable interpreting the question in my favour when its not really asking that.
Next time I'll ask for clarification and see what they say, I would guess there will be further smoke and mirrors.
In your many years of working in the industry could you not have lobbied your seniors for more clarity? Its clearly entirely deliberate.
May also mean that a lot of people are paying too much? There's a PPI claimback if ever I saw one.
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Ben G
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Registered: 12th Jan 07
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Originally posted by CORSA NUT
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Originally posted by Ben G
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Originally posted by LeeM
ok, you've worked in the industry a while have you?
the name of the non fault party will be on the file yeah, so will lots of other names involved in the claim. but the person who made the claim will be the at fault driver.
Just because you've worked somewhere doesn't mean you know everything.
Just because you bought an Orange ST doesn't mean everyone will copy you....
Whats that got to do with insurance?
No need for shit like this in here. Just trying to bait me into retaliating. Give it a rest.
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Ben G
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Registered: 12th Jan 07
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Also lee, i'm not saying you're incorrect. I'm saying my insurance company has worded it in a way which means I am uncomfortable with not declaring my non fault accidents incase they cancel my policy after finding out.
I don't want a black mark against my name when applying for future insurance.
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LeeM
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Registered: 26th Sep 05
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Originally posted by Ian
I can see the thing about claiming on the third party's policy, I'm fully with what you're saying. I just wouldn't be comfortable interpreting the question in my favour when its not really asking that.
Next time I'll ask for clarification and see what they say, I would guess there will be further smoke and mirrors.
In your many years of working in the industry could you not have lobbied your seniors for more clarity? Its clearly entirely deliberate.
May also mean that a lot of people are paying too much? There's a PPI claimback if ever I saw one.
its all about the money 
its completely an issue which needs to be addressed, i might email the daily mail
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CORSA NUT
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Originally posted by Ben G
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Originally posted by CORSA NUT
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Originally posted by Ben G
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Originally posted by LeeM
ok, you've worked in the industry a while have you?
the name of the non fault party will be on the file yeah, so will lots of other names involved in the claim. but the person who made the claim will be the at fault driver.
Just because you've worked somewhere doesn't mean you know everything.
Just because you bought an Orange ST doesn't mean everyone will copy you....
Whats that got to do with insurance?
No need for shit like this in here. Just trying to bait me into retaliating. Give it a rest.
I'm sick of your 'Big I Am' smart arse fucking comments so I'll just annoy you each time you do it. Tin foil hat = Orange ST
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CORSA NUT
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Also Ben you've had what..1-2 jobs in your life?? which makes you an expert on everything.
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A2H GO
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LeeM, makes sense what you're saying, I wouldn't declare in that scenario. But what about when someone crashes into you, and their insurance company contacts your insurance in an attempt to claim half the settlement given half of them won't just roll over and pay out? Even if its obviously not your fault everybody argues its never 'their' fault these days.
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Ben G
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quote:
Originally posted by CORSA NUT
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Originally posted by Ben G
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Originally posted by CORSA NUT
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Originally posted by Ben G
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Originally posted by LeeM
ok, you've worked in the industry a while have you?
the name of the non fault party will be on the file yeah, so will lots of other names involved in the claim. but the person who made the claim will be the at fault driver.
Just because you've worked somewhere doesn't mean you know everything.
Just because you bought an Orange ST doesn't mean everyone will copy you....
Whats that got to do with insurance?
No need for shit like this in here. Just trying to bait me into retaliating. Give it a rest.
I'm sick of your 'Big I Am' smart arse fucking comments so I'll just annoy you each time you do it. Tin foil hat = Orange ST
You're the one following me round the forum, stalking me and going off topic in threads.
If you have a problem with me then I suggest you u2u Ian.
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Ian
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Registered: 28th Aug 99
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Originally posted by CORSA NUT
I'm sick of your 'Big I Am' smart arse fucking comments so I'll just annoy you each time you do it. Tin foil hat = Orange ST
So report it or shut up, don't turn the thread to shit because you've got a bee in your bonnet.
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Ian
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Originally posted by CORSA NUT
Also Ben you've had what..1-2 jobs in your life?? which makes you an expert on everything.
Some proper stale grudges going on here put it away.
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Ian
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Registered: 28th Aug 99
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Summary - I agree with Lee but the question have I claimed doesn't discriminate upon whose policy I claimed on.
Clearly obfuscared, clearly they're bumming lots of people, clearly my advice still stands, if you can avoid that gang of sharks, do so.
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