Marc
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You can half empathise with the terrorist cause... Please tell me more on this point 
Extremists believe that if they commit suicide (which they believe to be honourable) they will receive the good stuff (what ever that is) in the afterlife. So if someone is that brainwashed to believe this it would stand to reason why they would do such a thing.
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Ian
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German media is now reporting that he sent a message to his ex-girlfriend, saying he would do something that would make the airline industry change their ways and remember his name forever.
As I understood it, it was a passing comment years ago. Not a message around the time.
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Ian
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You can half empathise with the terrorist cause... Please tell me more on this point
I can actually rationalise more a terrorist act which has a motive, than a murder suicide which at its most basic form is just mismanagement.
You have to wonder if whether the west was not involved, or had never become involved whether there would be any 'terrorist threat' to the west. Ultimately its a war. Misguided or otherwise. And every successful act of terrorism strengthens the cause. They'll recruit on the basis and the west will get the backing to stay involved.
This guy, what's his calling? Incapacity? He's done nothing for his cause. In fact he's damaged it.
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Ben G
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My dad uses germanwings when he has to fly to Germany for business. Cool story bro.
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Tiger
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Dunno if my math is right but I calculated that at the moment of impact at 430mph, a human weighing 70kg would be subject to nearly 480 tonnes of force across their lapbelt for a split second. That's some scary shit.
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DaveyLC
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I still think its a cover up
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Nic Barnes
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I still think its a cover up
have you read the daily mail story today or have you said that all along?
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DaveyLC
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I still think its a cover up
have you read the daily mail story today or have you said that all along?
I've said it all along.. look a few pages back
The European economy is VERY delicate and it would have so much to lose if the A320 fleet was grounded.. We're talking billions of euros.
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DaveyLC
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Just looked it up:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3019273/Friends-Germanwings-crash-pilot-say-framed-Lufthansa-cover-mechanical-failings-Google-Maps-blur-former-home-stop-people-looking-up.html
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Dave
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Originally posted by DaveyLC
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Originally posted by Nic Barnes
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Originally posted by DaveyLC
I still think its a cover up
have you read the daily mail story today or have you said that all along?
I've said it all along.. look a few pages back
The European economy is VERY delicate and it would have so much to lose if the A320 fleet was grounded.. We're talking billions of euros.
Wait, so you think a type that has been in service for 25+ years with an excellent record has suddenly developed a fault that will mean the entire fleet needs to be grounded?
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AlexSXI
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Originally posted by Tiger
Dunno if my math is right but I calculated that at the moment of impact at 430mph, a human weighing 70kg would be subject to nearly 480 tonnes of force across their lapbelt for a split second. That's some scary shit.
may explain why there are no bodies, just fragments
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DaveyLC
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Originally posted by Dave
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Originally posted by DaveyLC
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Originally posted by Nic Barnes
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Originally posted by DaveyLC
I still think its a cover up
have you read the daily mail story today or have you said that all along?
I've said it all along.. look a few pages back
The European economy is VERY delicate and it would have so much to lose if the A320 fleet was grounded.. We're talking billions of euros.
Wait, so you think a type that has been in service for 25+ years with an excellent record has suddenly developed a fault that will mean the entire fleet needs to be grounded?
It happened to the 737.. it took 3 to fall out of the air before they realised the hydraulics on the rudder were faulty.
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Ian
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I do think they were incredibly quick to know enough to send that conclusion out in to the media.
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Dave
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The 737 wasn't grounded.
Accidents often flag up potential weak points, that's the point of having such thorough investigations, but so does regular maintenance, there is no way Lufthansa would keep their fleet going if they knew there was an issue so big that every A320 needed to be grounded. If that was the case someone would have blown the whistle by now.
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DaveyLC
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The 737 issues were a significant time ago, before incidents like this would cause an airframe type to be grounded... In this day and age if there were any concerns over the safety of a particular air-frame they will all be grounded..
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Dave
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You mean like how DC-10s were grounded in the 70's?
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DaveyLC
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It's a bit different when the planes are visibly cracking over time and it's been discovered on the ground
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Dave
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The DC-10s?
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Tiger
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Video footage has been discovered amongst the wreckage on a mobile phone now of the descent up til point of impact 
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Ian
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Was wondering how long that would take. That's not going to be easy to watch.
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Aaron
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Video footage has been discovered amongst the wreckage on a mobile phone now of the descent up til point of impact
Links anyone?
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Tiger
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Link to story: http://bit.ly/1xTI7Hw
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Brett
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These two bits confuse me? I thought so far all they had was the CVR and now this passenger video which is described as a chaotic scene with screaming, etc.
How would they know the below? Have I missed something?
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The captain’s voice can be heard as he tries to open the door: “It’s me!” The captain is facing a camera connected to the cockpit: Lubitz sees him on screen but does not react.
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Despite the deafening noises, Lubitz’s breathing can cleary be heard through an oxygen mask he put on.
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Ian
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CVR got the breathing.
Captains voice I would assume the same. Seeing him on the screen is poetic licence it would appear, there's no video of Lubitz as I'm aware.
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Brett
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I meant the oxygen mask bit really
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