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If they hadnt banned turbo's they would still rev high, u telling me if F1 cars had turbo's they would limit at 8K?
my point is that they would use turbos over high reving n/a engines because they make more torque. the turbo engines were smaller than current engines and made more power. I think they reved to around 13000rpm with 5bar of boost 
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I can't be arsed to read the other pages, but has no-one mentioned the Nova? From the FACTORY these beat Prodrive Imprezas all day long.
Only AFTER a sock has been placed over the inlet.
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ezza
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the difference beeing the V-tec IS the engine, the advanced cam lobes already IN the engine means it produces this power without a turbo, time/money wasnt wasted persuing more torque than needed.
There is still the posibilty of a turbo aslo!
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Joff
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Well technically the sock needs to be trapped inside the inlet manifold, so it keeps the throttle body open at a permanent 3k rpm. This allows for maximum torque at all times.
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the difference beeing the V-tec IS the engine, the advanced cam lobes already IN the engine means it produces this power without a turbo, time/money wasnt wasted persuing more torque than needed.
There is still the posibilty of a turbo aslo!
But it is still no greater than other stock 1.6/1.8/2.0 engines. Honda engines are not amazing engines, they are just plain old simple good engines.
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thunda
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the sock! who was that idiot?
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thunda
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o j simpson or sumthin aint it?
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Well technically the sock needs to be trapped inside the inlet manifold, so it keeps the throttle body open at a permanent 3k rpm. This allows for maximum torque at all times.
Dont forget it allows the exhaust to POP and FLAME, even when switched off
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goldfish
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Originally posted by ezza
the difference beeing the V-tec IS the engine, the advanced cam lobes already IN the engine means it produces this power without a turbo, time/money wasnt wasted persuing more torque than needed.
There is still the posibilty of a turbo aslo!
VTEC is a system to produce more power - if the block just had a 'normal' cam system like is found in older cars then it woudl not produce teh same power.
I suggest you look up torque and read what it is
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thumda what the fuck are you going on about?
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goldfish
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Well technically the sock needs to be trapped inside the inlet manifold, so it keeps the throttle body open at a permanent 3k rpm. This allows for maximum torque at all times.
does the engine require petrol?
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thunda
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lol the guy with the sock, what was hes name? o j simpson im sure
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Joff
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No, it runs on a 20:1 ratio of SMB and EMA.
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lol the guy with the sock, what was hes name? o j simpson im sure
Yup, that's right. OJ Simpson - aka the sock guy.
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Dom
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No, it runs on a 20:1 ratio of SMB and EMA.
i thought it was GTF pie? 
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ed
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Ok, I just need to set the score straight. Any car that is Japanese, or Jap, as mos Max Power readers tend to say, is amazing. This includes this one:
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lol the guy with the sock, what was hes name? o j simpson im sure
OJC. Affectionately known as Oliver Jason Crowe
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goldfish
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lol the guy with the sock, what was hes name? o j simpson im sure
OJC. Affectionately known as Oliver Jason Crowe
Don;t know who is he but I do know of an Oliver James Crowe
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thunda
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thats the one
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lol the guy with the sock, what was hes name? o j simpson im sure
OJC. Affectionately known as Oliver Jason Crowe
The "J" stands for "jehosephat".
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lol the guy with the sock, what was hes name? o j simpson im sure
OJC. Affectionately known as Oliver Jason Crowe
Don;t know who is he but I do know of an Oliver James Crowe
call him jsaon, he hates that name. reminds him of the bum raping he got under the water tower on langley hill
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VTEC is a system to produce more power - if the block just had a 'normal' cam system like is found in older cars then it woudl not produce teh same power.
I suggest you look up torque and read what it is
I fcukin know what torque is!!!!
The point im making is that honda are able to make these variable cam engines very well beating every engine in its class for reliabilty and power full stop, u can talk about 'oh but if it didnt have V-tec it would be same as any other engine' BUT IT DOES!!! this is what im saying, Mitsubishi had a go with the Mivec, didnt work, was a more advanced 3 stage progresive cam system that keeps breaking.
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goldfish
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quote:
Originally posted by ezza
VTEC is a system to produce more power - if the block just had a 'normal' cam system like is found in older cars then it woudl not produce teh same power.
I suggest you look up torque and read what it is
I fcukin know what torque is!!!!
The point im making is that honda are able to make these variable cam engines very well beating every engine in its class for reliabilty and power full stop, u can talk about 'oh but if it didnt have V-tec it would be same as any other engine' BUT IT DOES!!! this is what im saying, Mitsubishi had a go with the Mivec, didnt work, was a more advanced 3 stage progresive cam system that keeps breaking.
the Seat Leon, the astra GSi and the focus RS all produce more power and torque than the CTR 
but I can say if it did not have VTEC as your saying without turbos
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ezza
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what cc and aspiration are all these cars?
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ezza
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And comparing the V-tec to turbo's, the V-tec isnt a turbo and isnt just 'bolted on' it IS the engine, the car remains naturally aspirated.
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