Danny P
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Originally posted by Danny P
How comes Cardio and weights on the same day is day is bad for you??
lol, quite complicated, but biochemically,
Strength training produces molecules called PDK1 and mTOR for progress
where endurance training produces PGC1(alpha) and AMPK for progress
To cut long story short AMPK inhibits mTOR molecule and the bulk of the weight training is pointless...
In each case the molecules are elevated then die down to normal after roughly 24hrs
Sorry mini essay 
Makes no sence at all - but i kinda get the drift
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Fraser Young
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When you think about it endurance sports (long distance runners etc) tend to be thin and less muscle, where power sports sprinters and throwing etc are big and muscular at the compromise of endurance...
Training for both is impossible at elite level; a crossroads is reached where you cant gain in one aspect without loosing out in another...
Which is why decathletes are commonly described as being the true 'athletes'
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Danny69
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I work alot of shift work and am quite fit as i play football, golf etc and my job is very physical, i am just doing weights wanting to get bigger(muscle mass),
mixed views on the supplements but would it benifit me to use one and if so which one??
where should i buy from and how much are they??
cheers
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blundey
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The 3 key elements you need to cover when wanting to go muscle is working them out, resting allowing them to prepare, and feeding them. Now a supplement is just that...supplementation to your diet. Yes it does deinfatly help add those extra calories. Yes it will be better than not doing a supplement at all.
It would be beneficial to you if your wanting to gain mass to obviously take a mass gainer...that protien plus carbs...reflext instant mass is cheap and a good product. If you want lean msucle then take just whey protien supplement. You can get them deleivered next day delivery from www.monstersupplements.com generally around 30 quid. Try and go for reflex as u get more for your money. Stay clear of products like maximuscle or milk protien based onez
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Andy GSi
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^^ i use pro mr, advanced protein meal replacement. i have one a day, and eat loads of meat. for 22 sachets cost me 34.99, lasts about 2 weeks. but at the mo im skint so making them last one every 2 days! they do benifit ya, the game of this muscle tone up and build muscle, is ur diet, and loads of protein, and carbs! buy them from any supermarket, or i get mine from market, or gym2go place, which sells loads of shakes!
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Danny69
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cheers
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Super_si
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Metrx protein 2.2kg around £30 lasts me 4 weeks. usually 40g shakes +
Im still anti supps not touched any gone from 13st to 17 two years hard training
[Edited on 18-02-2005 by Super_si]
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Danny69
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super si, what job do you do??? Bouncer??? 
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Super_si
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student 
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CORSA NUT
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Just try and do weight training properly or you can do damage like this...
Notice the bend in my spine?
All fixed now though..Oh and i'm a bit bigger now too 
[Edited on 18-02-2005 by CORSA NUT]
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CORSA NUT
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Cheapsupplements.co.uk are good
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ljames555
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corsa nut how did u did that ?
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CORSA NUT
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I knew somone would ask!
I did it doing sit ups wrong mate really..Not having the base of my spine on the floor when doing crunches 
It switches off certain muscles in your very lower abs and in the lower back meaning loads of other muscles in your body have to try and do there jobs.
It ain't nice i can tell ya!
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Super_si
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what are we looking at??
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dirtydan
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Originally posted by Danny69
what protein shakes are people using???
100% Optimum Nutrition Whey
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wainey
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Originally posted by Macca_G
I find kickboxing, bag work and sparring best for cardio.. then wieghts to bulk uo and put power into the punches but it exersizes most of the body just doing that... jogging is good for learning how to pace your self...All you need is a pair of gloves a bag and wieghts... helps having a trainer and sparring partner etc.. Also gives you confidence and makes you quite handy about the streets i have found.. i would recommed it to anybody
doing weights for punches are only good if your doing it for explosiveness, meaning you push the weight up quick and drop it down slow building the muscles you need to punch. road work is really good for fitness and cardio vascular, spin classes are good too. i train in muay thai every monday wednesday and friday, and do weight training inbetween but nothing too intense, and my main part is roadwork, morning and evening runs. surprising how good you feel after a good 40minute run in the morning before work.
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Super_si
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whats Muai thai like?
Im split being that or jui Jitsu at the minute favour JJ because i should lose any size, muay thai would strip any size off.
[Edited on 19-02-2005 by Super_si]
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wainey
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muay thai is good if you like it. ive always loved it so thats why i do it. i wouldnt say it strips you of size but it does give you good body conditioning and tones you up well. i train with a few lads who are big lads one being 120kg and also pele reid an ex pro boxer, he is huge, and has only 7%body fat. it keeps you really fit and teaches you to use all your limbs as weapons. im fighting this year and im off to thailand in august to train and fight out there too. a real good sport and good for fitness. and obdviously if you get into street fights can be handy also. brazilian ju jitsu is good, gracie style. a branch of our gym in cheltenham does it with a world champion instructor from brazil. im from the trojan gym. worth takin a look. www.trojangym.com
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Super_si
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Cheers ill have a look.
How much time do you need to dedicated to it? training 3 times a week already....
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wainey
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depends what you want to do it for mate. i train 3times a week to fight, then just road work inbetween training days and the visits to the gym. just for fitness you could go once a week. but we fight train so train hard and need to put the effort in as theres lots to learn.
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Super_si
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Yeah guess theres a big difference! Dont think id have time tbh had a deadlift meet yesterday am im fooked today
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