Ditch
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Originally posted by Ditch
FT-slOw
you have 4wd and a turbo,,,,,go play with the evos if you can keep up 
bitchaaay
my old Silly-Car can hold its own with a standard Evo VIII FQ340 I will have you know... but then mine aint standard so not a fair comparison 
put it next to an Evo from the same year and I KNOW the old silly-car is quicker!
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Jason Iles
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I don't know why people bitch about FTO's so much on here they are great cars and for not a lot of pounds you can get some nice power from the mivec engines. My mates is fast enough and good at handling now he has he right tyres and suspension set up and they look good, why people slate them so bad I don't know????
plus they are dropping in price at the mo due to them flooding the market over here, so if you get a good example Preferably from the Owners club your laughing
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3CorsaMeal
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they make you look like jackie chan tho
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Nick NJ
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Originally posted by rustyarchs
GR is no way in hell the better engine been in one and it couldnt hold a candle to my GPX was like driving a v-tec honda thats not working right ,tips are quicker through the gear changes but has poorer 0-60 times due to being an auto and not holding any revs before you boot it so its like an off -off switch either bogs down or lights up and its a 50-50 gamble which
the gr is actually a more reliable stronger unit, there is also no real noticeable difference in performance, gpx is heavier. its all about the manual box, of which, most ftos are tips, which is where the myth about them being slow originated (0-60). They are just average, not slow.
You can change gear quicker in a man than tip, unless your a grandad. better still get a quick shifter for more precise faster changes 
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Jason Iles
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Originally posted by 3CorsaMeal
they make you look like jackie chan tho
Rather look like Jackie Chan than Johnny Chav
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clubperformance
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http://www.ftooc.org/phpbb/garage.php?mode=quartermile
Take a look at the times Not bad for a 2.0l Na, Alot in 200sx terrortry!!
Theres nothing in it between a GPX, GR , the GPX is 20 Bhp higher but the GR is 50kg lighter so cancels it out. If you go to the specialists they all prefer the GR as the engine is stronger and better for handling turbo conversions etc!!
Excellent all round cars, but it depends if your the type of guy who likes to say "yeah ive got 500 brake and it does 0-60 in 2.8 seconds" down the pub every weekend, then its not for you. I was built to compete with Integra's and such like with a little more focus on the driving .
there's one on FTOOC that does the nurbergring in 8:50, i know of mates with evo's that cant get near that!
Not saying that there the best thing ever just saying they are good at what they were built for!
If you've been in a tip there shit slow, the manual is where the car comes to life, itll take almoust 2 seconds off the tip to 60!! Ive got a manual and it keeps up with MR2 turbo's/CTR's to 50-60 and after that i start to leave them!
But don't take my word for it try find a manual, have a drive see what happens.
[Edited on 16-08-2006 by clubperformance]
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clubperformance
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Originally posted by Nick NJ
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Originally posted by rustyarchs
GR is no way in hell the better engine been in one and it couldnt hold a candle to my GPX was like driving a v-tec honda thats not working right ,tips are quicker through the gear changes but has poorer 0-60 times due to being an auto and not holding any revs before you boot it so its like an off -off switch either bogs down or lights up and its a 50-50 gamble which
the gr is actually a more reliable stronger unit, there is also no real noticeable difference in performance, gpx is heavier. its all about the manual box, of which, most ftos are tips, which is where the myth about them being slow originated (0-60). They are just average, not slow.
You can change gear quicker in a man than tip, unless your a grandad. better still get a quick shifter for more precise faster changes
Beat me to it!!!!
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rustyarchs
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Originally posted by Ditch
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Originally posted by rustyarchs
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Originally posted by Ditch
FT-slOw
you have 4wd and a turbo,,,,,go play with the evos if you can keep up
bitchaaay
my old Silly-Car can hold its own with a standard Evo VIII FQ340 I will have you know... but then mine aint standard so not a fair comparison
put it next to an Evo from the same year and I KNOW the old silly-car is quicker!
not bitchy just true you have turbo and 4wd
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Tom
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Nowhere near as good as an itr imo. Mates just had his mivec tip reposessed sound awesome and look ok but they just don't go quick or more importantly feel quick. Fair enough they have smooth power delivery from the v6 etc but they don't have the torque of a decent sized v6 to back up the reviness and it all makes for a dissapointing drive imo.
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rustyarchs
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Originally posted by Nick NJ
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Originally posted by rustyarchs
GR is no way in hell the better engine been in one and it couldnt hold a candle to my GPX was like driving a v-tec honda thats not working right ,tips are quicker through the gear changes but has poorer 0-60 times due to being an auto and not holding any revs before you boot it so its like an off -off switch either bogs down or lights up and its a 50-50 gamble which
the gr is actually a more reliable stronger unit, there is also no real noticeable difference in performance, gpx is heavier. its all about the manual box, of which, most ftos are tips, which is where the myth about them being slow originated (0-60). They are just average, not slow.
You can change gear quicker in a man than tip, unless your a grandad. better still get a quick shifter for more precise faster changes
you what?? where did you read that? the gr responds to tuning better but its not a stronger more reliable unit,
buddy mitsis own figures at time of release showed that in tip mode it was 0.something of a second faster at changeing into a gear than there own test driver could manage so you must be bloody good if you can manage it better than him, mitsi had invecs-II which was regarded at the time as the 2nd best auto box in production after porsches one
as for being heavier
a gpx manual weighs 1170kg an early tip weighs 1190 -1235 depending on if you had traction control,lsd or any of the other options
a gr weighs in at 1150kg for the manual or 1170-1215 again depending on options!!
so lets take base models we are talking 20kg of a difference so im sure the 20bhp extra should cover it
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rustyarchs
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Originally posted by Tom
Nowhere near as good as an itr imo. Mates just had his mivec tip reposessed sound awesome and look ok but they just don't go quick or more importantly feel quick. Fair enough they have smooth power delivery from the v6 etc but they don't have the torque of a decent sized v6 to back up the reviness and it all makes for a dissapointing drive imo.
they dont feel quick at all, there bigest downfall was trying to keep it polite so to speak lol if they had ripped out all the sound proofing,automatic climate control aircon,foldy mirrors,multidisk changers and all the rest of the toys that they come with standard it would have lost some of that 200kg weight disadvantage that it had on an ITR and it would then be a diffrent story, then again if it was a noisy harsh thing to drive it wouldnt have been as popular or sold as many as they did for the 22 grand equivelent price tag which in my opinion was way overpriced considering the teg was quite a few grand cheaper to buy
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Originally posted by clubperformance
http://www.ftooc.org/phpbb/garage.php?mode=quartermile
Take a look at the times Not bad for a 2.0l Na, Alot in 200sx terrortry!!
Theres nothing in it between a GPX, GR , the GPX is 20 Bhp higher but the GR is 50kg lighter so cancels it out. If you go to the specialists they all prefer the GR as the engine is stronger and better for handling turbo conversions etc!!
--20kg if your talking base models,the 2 most powerful fto engined ftos ( ) in the club are marks little red and scottyfto and both are turbo 6A12 mivecs , then abroad there is moritakus whos bored out 2.2 6A12 turbod beasty is running 500+ bhp and is the most powerful fto that i know of that isnt pro car or a pikes peak rally model 
Excellent all round cars, but it depends if your the type of guy who likes to say "yeah ive got 500 brake and it does 0-60 in 2.8 seconds" down the pub every weekend, then its not for you. I was built to compete with Integra's and such like with a little more focus on the driving .
--agreed
there's one on FTOOC that does the nurbergring in 8:50, i know of mates with evo's that cant get near that!
--cats fto is quite a nice one aint it
Not saying that there the best thing ever just saying they are good at what they were built for!
--agreed
If you've been in a tip there shit slow, the manual is where the car comes to life, itll take almoust 2 seconds off the tip to 60!! Ive got a manual and it keeps up with MR2 turbo's/CTR's to 50-60 and after that i start to leave them!
--tips are good cars just crap at standing starts,also really needs a later 5spd tip tbh as the 4spd tip although has great long gearing doesnt quite have the power to keep the revs turning fastenough higher up in the gears
But don't take my word for it try find a manual, have a drive see what happens.
[Edited on 16-08-2006 by clubperformance]
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BabyBlade
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Originally posted by Tom
Nowhere near as good as an itr imo. Mates just had his mivec tip reposessed sound awesome and look ok but they just don't go quick or more importantly feel quick. Fair enough they have smooth power delivery from the v6 etc but they don't have the torque of a decent sized v6 to back up the reviness and it all makes for a dissapointing drive imo.
100% agree
They are very smooth but there just not that fast compared to how you would think it would go.
But as said its still quite a big car with a lot toys, its a nice ride inside looks nice outside and it aint slow, just doesnt stand out as being a really fast car.
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Icy
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http://www.icypix.co.uk/cars/FTO/index.html
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Ditch
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Originally posted by clubperformance
Ive got a manual and it keeps up with MR2 turbo's/CTR's to 50-60 and after that i start to leave them!
I wont take your word for it... I will just safe in the knowledge that a healthy MR2 turbo (revision 3 onwards anyway) would ass fcuk an F T slOw from 0-60 50-100 and 100-150 whatever speeds!!
Manual Mivec FTO's dont run 13second qtrs as standard do they???
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Tom
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Originally posted by rustyarchs
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Originally posted by Tom
Nowhere near as good as an itr imo. Mates just had his mivec tip reposessed sound awesome and look ok but they just don't go quick or more importantly feel quick. Fair enough they have smooth power delivery from the v6 etc but they don't have the torque of a decent sized v6 to back up the reviness and it all makes for a dissapointing drive imo.
they dont feel quick at all, there bigest downfall was trying to keep it polite so to speak lol if they had ripped out all the sound proofing,automatic climate control aircon,foldy mirrors,multidisk changers and all the rest of the toys that they come with standard it would have lost some of that 200kg weight disadvantage that it had on an ITR and it would then be a diffrent story, then again if it was a noisy harsh thing to drive it wouldnt have been as popular or sold as many as they did for the 22 grand equivelent price tag which in my opinion was way overpriced considering the teg was quite a few grand cheaper to buy
SO they don't keep with itr's as you said?
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clubperformance
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Ive got a manual and it keeps up with MR2 turbo's/CTR's to 50-60 and after that i start to leave them!
I wont take your word for it... I will just safe in the knowledge that a healthy MR2 turbo (revision 3 onwards anyway) would ass fcuk an F T slOw from 0-60 50-100 and 100-150 whatever speeds!!
Manual Mivec FTO's dont run 13second qtrs as standard do they???
Like i said find a manual and have ago, these are my experiences so i can only go on that , didnt realise you was an expert on the FTO?? Have you ever owned one?
14 second quarters in the FTO, but that gots jack to do with it. You dont race quarter mile stretches on perfectly flat tarmac in the real world! Put realworld conditions in place and see what happens!
Must be tones of shit MR2 turbs's around by me then as i seem to have the advantage of the ones i meet!!
laters
[Edited on 16-08-2006 by clubperformance]
[Edited on 16-08-2006 by clubperformance]
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clubperformance
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http://www.icypix.co.uk/cars/FTO/index.html
Nice pics dude
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Nick NJ
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you what?? where did you read that? the gr responds to tuning better but its not a stronger more reliable unit,
http://www.ftooc.org/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=55527&highlight=reliability
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Nick NJ
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nah the mr2 turbo would destroy an FTO, no comparison what so ever
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clubperformance
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nah the mr2 turbo would destroy an FTO, no comparison what so ever
Fair enough!
Im not saying that anybody is wrong, its just the ones ive met havent been any trouble, must be real shitters by me then!!!
[Edited on 16-08-2006 by clubperformance]
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Nick NJ
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depends on many things, driver ability, condition of car, are they actually driving over 3k revs, badged up as turbo when actually a 2ltr 16v etc etc.
Ultimately, the fto aint a bad car. The insurance however means you can get much better for your money nowadays.
Wait till you come to sell it i sold mine couple of yrs ago and it was a nightmare, no one could afford the insurance, grp 20, riddiculous!
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Tom
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Originally posted by clubperformance
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Originally posted by Nick NJ
nah the mr2 turbo would destroy an FTO, no comparison what so ever
Fair enough!
Im not saying that anybody is wrong, its just the ones ive met havent been any trouble, must be real shitters by me then!!!
[Edited on 16-08-2006 by clubperformance]
I would say so yes 
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Ditch
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Originally posted by Ditch
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Originally posted by clubperformance
Ive got a manual and it keeps up with MR2 turbo's/CTR's to 50-60 and after that i start to leave them!
I wont take your word for it... I will just safe in the knowledge that a healthy MR2 turbo (revision 3 onwards anyway) would ass fcuk an F T slOw from 0-60 50-100 and 100-150 whatever speeds!!
Manual Mivec FTO's dont run 13second qtrs as standard do they???
Like i said find a manual and have ago, these are my experiences so i can only go on that , didnt realise you was an expert on the FTO?? Have you ever owned one?
14 second quarters in the FTO, but that gots jack to do with it. You dont race quarter mile stretches on perfectly flat tarmac in the real world! Put realworld conditions in place and see what happens!
Must be tones of shit MR2 turbs's around by me then as i seem to have the advantage of the ones i meet!!
laters
When did I claim to be an expert?
I just dont wear the same FTslOw tinted glasses that you are wearing, and can see the if both cars weigh in around 1200kgs... and the MR2 is 50bhp up on the FTslOw... then the MR2 might just have an edge...???
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DAYZEE
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not to mention the 70lbs of torque the Rev3 MR2 has on an FTO. I've got nothing against the FTO but lets not be ridiculous.
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