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Steve

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24th Jun 07 at 20:37

its all how it affects power to weight gareth, it takes more of a power hike to get a better power to weight in the heavier ibiza, whereas cams, with the other mods he has might gain him 25-30bhp a remap will gain the ibiza 50bhp, but this has less of effect on the power to weight

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24th Jun 07 at 20:41

Define build quality.

Rob B

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24th Jun 07 at 22:44

just to say, i raced my mate Ben in his revo'ed ibiza and upto 120 he pulled about 2 car lengths, even he was surprised, beatie by all means ask him if you want cause im sure he wont lie

matt-the-hoople

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24th Jun 07 at 22:47

Well i can tell you mate from experience.

I own a highly moddified ibiza cupra, when i bought it it was stage 1 REVO'd and a "cammed" VTS wouldn't come close FACT.

Iam not slaggin the VTS's cause there great little cars, but no wherenear the ibiza sorry

Rob B

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24th Jun 07 at 22:50

well my mate who i see everyday, has one with forge everything, and his is stage 1, and what ive just put above is fact. hes even registered on here so will probably tell you him self !

this is his, and he has forge everything, boosts to about 23psi i think

Forge intercooler, b/c full turbo back blue flame system... i dunno what vts's you lot are racing

Rob B

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24th Jun 07 at 22:55

quote:
Originally posted by matt-the-hoople
Well i can tell you mate from experience.

I own a highly moddified ibiza cupra, when i bought it it was stage 1 REVO'd and a "cammed" VTS wouldn't come close FACT.

Iam not slaggin the VTS's cause there great little cars, but no wherenear the ibiza sorry

also ever actually raced a cammed vts ..

matt-the-hoople

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24th Jun 07 at 22:55

Iam not gonna get into a pointless arguement with you, my ibiza will soon be around 420 BHP so its irrelavent to me.

But a remapped ibiza is suprisingly quick.

As i said i like the VTS, its a great little car, cheap and good fun, but to get 160 out of them requires more than cams, you need a LAD conversion etc.

But get yourself a ibiza, you wont look back.

Rob B

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24th Jun 07 at 22:57

You dont need a lad conversion, bloody hell i study the forums and countless people have fitted 708 cams and with other mods like manifold etc have all senen betweem 155 - 165 bhp...

I want a ibiza as my next car anyway, but i think saying a remapped ibiza kills a vts is a overstatement, pulling 2 - 3 car lengths over 20 - 120 aint alot in my books.

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24th Jun 07 at 22:57

quote:
Originally posted by Rob B

quote:
Originally posted by matt-the-hoople
Well i can tell you mate from experience.

I own a highly moddified ibiza cupra, when i bought it it was stage 1 REVO'd and a "cammed" VTS wouldn't come close FACT.

Iam not slaggin the VTS's cause there great little cars, but no wherenear the ibiza sorry

also ever actually raced a cammed vts ..

Nope, but plenty of VTS's and been out in my mates LAD converted 106 GTI, which was fun but not FAST.

Maybe iam spoiled by mine and the fact i drive fast audi's all day, i dunno.

craig_s

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24th Jun 07 at 22:58

ive heard lots of people say that the vts/gti engines respond very well to cams and can produce 160 bhp

Rob B

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24th Jun 07 at 22:58

Ok watch the vid in my first post, and tell me that a revo'ed ibiza would "kill" that, cause i very much doubt it.

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24th Jun 07 at 23:01

Like i said, i dont wanna arguement, get yourslef a GMC supercharger fired on it. Then your talking.

Rob B

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24th Jun 07 at 23:02

yes, that would be best

have you watched the vid in the first post ?

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24th Jun 07 at 23:06

Yep just watched it, who's car is that?

No way does a cammed saxo accelarate like that. Must be on axle stands. lol

I have made a RS6 do 200 MPH without turning a wheel.

Rob B

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24th Jun 07 at 23:07

well theres about 4 videos of it, just only posted the one, its someone off the saxo forums, and that is how a cammed vts goes like..

another

http://video.tinypic.com/player.php?v=61nvzhs

And another

http://video.tinypic.com/player.php?v=67x172c

[Edited on 24-06-2007 by Rob B]

Fad

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24th Jun 07 at 23:13

Clio 182? could be a good move with retaining good handling...more poke and a slightly (only slightly) better interior?

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24th Jun 07 at 23:14

That last video where it sets off from standstill, doesn't seem to wheel spin.

I cant arque those vids though. If your so taken by those, then cam your VTS and and go kick some ibiza's ass.

What power are the cars in those video's.?

[Edited on 24-06-2007 by matt-the-hoople]

Rob B

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24th Jun 07 at 23:14

yeh i do like them , was a bit disapointed my mate has an 05 plate 182 cup and we were very even, it was like who ever got the power down first would stay in front..

Rob B

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24th Jun 07 at 23:15

quote:
Originally posted by matt-the-hoople
That last video where it sets off from standstill, doesn't seem to wheel spin.

I cant arque those vids though. If your so taken by those, then cam your VTS and and go kick some ibiza's ass.

yeah where ive took it from he said something like his foot slipped off on the 0-60 one but it stopped it from spinning.

his was rolling roaded at 161 bhp, with catcam 708;s manifold, full system, filter, catch tank and a few other bits.

[Edited on 24-06-2007 by Rob B]

Steve

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24th Jun 07 at 23:18

155bhp is cammed vts kinda power, obviously with mapping to setup etc, thats easily ibiza stage 1 remapped territory wen you look at power to weight

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24th Jun 07 at 23:18

quote:
Originally posted by Rob B
yeh i do like them , was a bit disapointed my mate has an 05 plate 182 cup and we were very even, it was like who ever got the power down first would stay in front..

You driven one? Try a few cars I think is your best bet and see what takes your fancy.

At the end of the day look for something thats the complete package as handling doesnt have to be perfect unless you regularly track it. For road use you want something good enough but not that good you drive like a cunt everywhere.

maybe a Glanza see what all the jap fuss is about?

Rob B

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24th Jun 07 at 23:19

mates got a glanza, its slower than the vts, cant be having that lol... im into speed at the mo, i do "track" my car every saturday lol ..

matt-the-hoople

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24th Jun 07 at 23:19

So has a power to weight ratio of approx 170 bhp?

Thats amazing as a ibiza with stage 1 map will be similar maybe a little more and dont go like that and has shit loads more torque.

Who knows eh? i stick up for ibiza's cause i have one, but when i had a saxo i stuck up for them.

Get a ibiza bought and tune it.

Rob B

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24th Jun 07 at 23:20

That one only has two buckets aswell so may be a little lighter

Steve

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24th Jun 07 at 23:21

i like ibizas too, especially yours, and bill badger5's, im just saying whats what with modding the vts

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