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Indeed/\
The power comes from the mapping.
You will make more power on "proper" management, compared to a chip/quick remap.
You dont need single throttle bodies to make the power, a well designed plenum is just as good.
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Steve
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the c16xe is not stronger than the tu5j4 lol
and its not any better as far as tuning goes
the tu5j4 engines are very strong with very a good head design, especially the non egr ones.
they are better than the x/c16xe from the manufacturer, and produce similar results when pushed to the extremes
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must be optomistic roller then.
not at all, the nova has shown over 160 on 3 different dynos. it makes the power because it is well built and mapped properly. he hasnt skimped on things and it gets looked after.
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the tu5j4 engines are very strong with very a good head design, especially the non egr ones.
I was under the impression the head had a kink in the inlet ports?...
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Steve
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not as far as im aware, not forgetting thats the standard inlet robin, which if we are being fair we are comparing standard with standard
if we start modifiying one engine we have to compare it to equally modded other engine.
luckyb is the man to ask about the tu5j4 lumps
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Originally posted by Steve
the c16xe is not stronger than the tu5j4 lol
and its not any better as far as tuning goes
the tu5j4 engines are very strong with very a good head design, especially the non egr ones.
they are better than the x/c16xe from the manufacturer, and produce similar results when pushed to the extremes
totally agree with the fact they are better from the manufacturer but the x16xe is a stronger engine when pushed hard. spend the same cash on both engines on cams, tb's, mapping etc... the x16xe will get better results. the x16 will get over 200bhp without much trouble, cant do that on a tu5j4 without forced induction.
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Steve
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you can dave, iv seen it done, iv seen 225bhp without forced induction on the tu
[Edited on 25-06-2007 by Steve]
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Rob B
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i bet you any money that your tb'ed x16xe wouldnt beat a tb'ed vts, broster was running like 150 bhp and couldnt get better than 15.4 at pod i think it was...
and i dont know of any x16xe running 200 bhp :S
[Edited on 25-06-2007 by Rob B]
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Robin
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You can get over 200bhp, yes (I've also seen it), but can you do it as easily as you can on the X16XE?
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Rob B
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again, i havent seen a x16xe with 200 bhp
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Originally posted by Rob B
i bet you any money that your tb'ed x16xe wouldnt beat a tb'ed vts, broster was running like 150 bhp and couldnt get better than 15.4 at pod i think it was...
and i dont know of any x16xe running 200 bhp :S
[Edited on 25-06-2007 by Rob B]
thats brosters dodgy driving
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Steve
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yes you can robin, both produce similar power when modded, although i think the tu responds slightly better to "bolt on" mods such as induction kits and exhausts
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whats this about blanking off the egr to get more power?? i thought that was a myth :S
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Robin
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quote:
Originally posted by Rob B
i bet you any money that your tb'ed x16xe wouldnt beat a tb'ed vts, broster was running like 150 bhp and couldnt get better than 15.4 at pod i think it was...
and i dont know of any x16xe running 200 bhp :S
[Edited on 25-06-2007 by Rob B]
Andy Hamilton had over 200bhp, loads of rally cars have over 200bhp from the X16XE.
Mark had 138bhp and couldn't do better than a 15.7, but he had 2 12" subs in the boot, amongst other things.
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Steve
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again, i havent seen a x16xe with 200 bhp
tbf i have, andys had 200+ but iv also seen TU's with 200+
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Dave A
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it is. you can block the egr feed in the exhaust port in cylinder 4, that helps.
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Robin
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SBD built one with over 240bhp, I don't remember seeing Longman building a 240bhp TU.
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matt_aka_smiler
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how does it help exactly?
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Steve
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SBD built one with over 240bhp, I don't remember seeing Longman building a 240bhp TU.
so they say, and how reliable was it? iv seen 230 in a tu thats was used on the road quite frequently
[Edited on 25-06-2007 by Steve]
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Dave A
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ive seen 2x x14xe's with 180 bhp, 1 x16xe with 212bhp, 1 with 230+ bhp and sbd's 240+ bhp (but thats technically a 1700cc engine now)
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Steve
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Iv seen santa claus 
[Edited on 25-06-2007 by Steve]
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Robin
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quote:
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quote:
Originally posted by Robin
SBD built one with over 240bhp, I don't remember seeing Longman building a 240bhp TU.
so they say, and how reliable was it? iv seen 230 in a tu thats was used on the road quite frequently
It was likely to be as reliable as any other 1.6 16v engine with a 100% increase in power.
Was this TU N/A?
Swindon got more than SBD from the X16, 256bhp IIRC...
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Steve
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yes n/a robin
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Robin
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Anyway, I'm not saying the TU is shit, it's a good engine, but so is the ECOTEC 
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Robin
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quote:
Originally posted by Steve
yes n/a robin
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