cammack
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hello mate well here's my views....
if its french >>> just dont fecking bother! renault are better than citroen but not by much.
build quality tends to be cheap and shabby! little things are really annoying!
ive had pretty much all the "hot hatches" well not all but a few.
stick to a solid car, much more apprecitaed at end of the day!
good luck!
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gavin18787
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Which would you go for then? Owned any of them? 
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MoesTavern
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quote:
Originally posted by gavin18787
Aye if heard they have traction issues in the wet. What are they like on fuel? I assume they would be better then the astra with them not been turbo jobbies. Although im not a high milage person so its not really an issue.
Anything to watch out for on them? Ive heard honda are pritty good but there must be some weak points
Engine-wise (provided you keep the oil topped up) it will break down less than a mountain. Everything else is no more or less likely to go wrong than any other car really.
The steering is rather light which you'll know about if you've driven one, the brakes aren't to everyone's taste and the standard stereo and headlights are both shite. You WILL get a speeding ticket at some point, (driving slow doesn't seem to be an option when you're sat in one, it's quite strange) Fuel economy isn't too bad but it's 2.0L so will be a step up obviously.
[Edited on 20-12-2007 by MoesTavern]
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Nick A
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astra ftw gav 
need to get a poll going 
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FasT09
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106/saxos will probably be least reliable due to the majority of gtis and vtrs/vts's have been ragged as it's mor eboyracer car.
If you find a newish astra/172/182 that dont have to many miles and looks looked after they should be fine as long as you look after it.
and assume ctr is most reliable. but do get ragged alot as vtec is well up in the revs
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gavin18787
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quote:
Originally posted by MoesTavern
quote:
Originally posted by gavin18787
Aye if heard they have traction issues in the wet. What are they like on fuel? I assume they would be better then the astra with them not been turbo jobbies. Although im not a high milage person so its not really an issue.
Anything to watch out for on them? Ive heard honda are pritty good but there must be some weak points
Engine-wise (provided you keep the oil topped up) it will break down less than a mountain. Everything else is no more or less likely to go wrong than any other car really.
The steering is rather light which you'll know about if you've driven one, the brakes aren't to everyone's taste and the standard stereo and headlights are both shite. You WILL get a speeding ticket at some point, (driving slow doesn't seem to be an option when you're sat in one, it's quite strange) Fuel economy isn't too bad but it's 2.0L so will be a step up obviously.
[Edited on 20-12-2007 by MoesTavern]
Cheers mate dont think the fuel will be that more then my current tuned and overfueling 1.6 
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gavin18787
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UPDATE:
Drove an astra gsi this weekend and really liked it. Still felt like a nible car for its size. Everything about it I liked. Just need to get another drive in a honda ctr to confirm my opinion on it. Clio is out  good fun car and suprisingly quick. But with the money I am spending I am looking to move up in the world of build quality etc.
Dont really know what the astra I was looking at was worth. IMO it was a bit over priced.
Its £8750
arden blue
46,000 miles
FVSH
1 owner
HPI clear
few little mods: irmy grille, smoked rear lights, coupe front lights, remus exhuast and lowered 30mm 50mm on ebaich springs.
Just had cam belt etc done in the last service by vauxhall and the dealer will give it a full 12 month MOT and four new tyres as the rears are low.
Lowest he would take for a quick sale was £8500
Another thing thats questioning is that the bonnet looks like it has been resprayed if you look closly at the underside leading edge when its open.
Anyway Im going to drive a CTR again before I make any decisions
[Edited on 24-12-2007 by gavin18787]
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JM_16v
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what update
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gavin18787
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I fucked up  read above ^^^
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JM_16v
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CTR i want one.. whats the insurance like on them gav. whats going to happen to the gsi then?
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gavin18787
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Dont know what is happening to the gsi as of yet. For me the CTR is £1500 to insurance. Alot but I dont mind paying it tbh.
Only thing I was suprised by with the astra is it wasnt as fast as I was expecting. Although there was me my dad and possibly the biggest car sales man in the world in it
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JM_16v
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is that third party, i wouldnt mind a new car when im 21 and but if i got a loan would have to be ully comp insurance
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gavin18787
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fc, wouldnt entertain doing it third party on a car over 3.5k
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JM_16v
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yeah same here gav thats not to bad,
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Warren G
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that silver astra gsi is just plain sex
personly after working on a few french cars - never again, rear torsion bars, sod doing another seized one what a bitch,
but if your not working on them, then!!
the problem is the gsi is too nice
and you have u2u
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gavin18787
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warren you have confused me further
Astra is nice but the corsa does put a smile on my face nearly all the time when im in it. Astra is very nice but maybe a bit tame and could very easily get you in trouble as going fast in it doesnt feel fast if you get what i mean 
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jams
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well im a jap head so im going to say ctr
i miss mine and im buying another when i sell my lexus
have you thaught about an intergra type r? dc2? best front wheel drive car ever made in my view and im sure a few others to i have also owned one of these there ace!
what ever you do dont by french the realy wank
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gavin18787
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would like a teg but they are too dear on insurance
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Fad
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quote:
Originally posted by scoob
i test drove a 172 cup it was quicker then the 182 i drove after! also ive owned an astra gsi mk4 was really boring sold it after a month
This is why I sold my Astra
I've owned or driven all of the cars above and if it were me it'd be between the CTR or the Clio. Both renowned cars and rated quite highly by Evo.
Astra was bland and not really that entertaining to drive and in the wet I've seen more gracefull hipo's!
At the moment it seems you want t step up in terms of build quallity sacrificing the main core of owning a car.....driving pleasure.
Both the Clio and CTR are great drives but if your worried about build quality go for CTR as it ticks several boxes IMO. I Chose the clio over a CTR as i felt it was a more focused car and the steering wasn't as vague as the feel of the CTR.
Gav choose a car that has good press not what people say on here as IMO none of them have driven any of the above (or a decent perfromance car) and are making comments that is simply like cluctching at straws.
If you want cheap frills for a year though the Saxo comes highly recomended as I love my bro's VTR, its had a hard life and hasn't broken once or failed to start! So all the reliability comments are rubbish and even now with pertrol as expensive as it is it still returns 100 miles to £10 driven spiritedly!
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gavin18787
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Cheers for the input fad
Think ctr is the one on the cards
Just got to wait for the right one to appear
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Cole
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a friend of mine just bought a ctr from a guy at work he needed cash asap got it for 4k bargain
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gavin18787
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alright for some
[Edited on 25-12-2007 by gavin18787]
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Cole
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he would probably sell it to you in the new yr for a little profit thats why he bought it to sell on he has no rush to sell it as he wants to sell his tme evo6 1st
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jams
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[Edited on 26-12-2007 by jams]
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gavin18787
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why the jams
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