DizzyRebel
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o/t perhaps but with the talk of better baes to build from going about - i thought id metion the best! My other posts more than nailed this topic!
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Nic Barnes
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your other posts are ok yeah, but you are still forgettng the personal preference options aswell. some people just dont like xe's for whatever reasons.
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Nick-S
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No, but then again no other Transverse FWD car with a beam rear axle can be made to handle better than another as the chassis dynamics and characteristics will be the same across the board assuming the same amount of money and modifications are made to the chassis first.
This topic assumes that that the OC has already made an educated and well researched decsion into choosing his base car first. Otherwise were opening up a completely different can of worms
Afaik the only hot hatch with independant rear suspension is the EG and early EK civics so if you had to have an FWD hatch they would be your best starting points as they offer superior handling potential compared to any other fwd hatch.
Focus and clio sports as well iirc
dont clios have a rear beam? 
[Edited on 16-02-2009 by GSi_16v]
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DizzyRebel
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your other posts are ok yeah, but you are still forgettng the personal preference options aswell. some people just dont like xe's for whatever reasons.
Lol, how can you have personal preference over an engine? You dont like an XE because it looks funny?
I understand people who say inline 4's are shit, V8 powah forever etc. But i dont know anyone who would dislike an engine for no reason other than personal preference. If they do they must have serious social problems!
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flybikeslee
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yup
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Nic Barnes
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Originally posted by Nic Barnes
your other posts are ok yeah, but you are still forgettng the personal preference options aswell. some people just dont like xe's for whatever reasons.
Lol, how can you have personal preference over an engine? You dont like an XE because it looks funny?
I understand people who say inline 4's are shit, V8 powah forever etc. But i dont know anyone who would dislike an engine for no reason other than personal preference. If they do they must have serious social problems!
no, people dont like them as they prefer the 1600's. dont ask me why. they just do.
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sand-eel
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I think a compound charged 1.0 12v with nos would be ideal.
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corsa120
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some times it comes down to the SHEEP scenario, people follow going barrrrr barrrrrr lol, i think dizzyrebel talks sense, i still beleive both cars would be very close in performance and lets face you have to go pretty far to come accross someone who dares to push there car to the limit on the open road I MEAN PUSH TO POINT OF NOT KNOWING WHATS ROUND AN UNKNOWN BEND AT FULL THROTTLE, as most people WILL back off if you dont believe thats true....
find a very twisty b-road get a car with cruise control get uptom 80+mph and set the cruise control and see how long before you hit the brakes, wont be long.....
hence my point as to waht dizzyrebel said the extra weight of a xe is not noticable on the road if fitted well and the car is well setup
i actually would like both but i chose the xe more for as previously mentioned rolling on in 5th gear for overtaking etc is so much nicer i do like the extra cc to be honest
[Edited on 16-02-2009 by corsa120]
[Edited on 16-02-2009 by corsa120]
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jr
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ive pushed both set ups with identical suspension set ups (middle of the road koni yellows) and brakes (ate 16v), and there is a diffrence
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jr
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I think we can all agree on the best hot hatch being the escort cosworth though!
Not really, and i a massive ford fan, but thats not the discussion atm 
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Warren G
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I think we can all agree on the best hot hatch being the escort cosworth though!
Not really, and i a massive ford fan, but thats not the discussion atm
maybe this should be discused? why the hell you DONT have a ford project
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Cheese Man Chris
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Reasons why people might not want to xe a corsa is because its not a corsa engine. If you have a 1.6 GSI people think they wreck a classic car by putting a XE in. Iv'e seen people comment on threads saying that. I think a lot of people seem to think xe's are unreliable. Hence all the "What are they like as daily drive" threads
[Edited on 16-02-2009 by Cheese Man Chris]
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flybikeslee
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i wouldn't calla gsi a classic
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Cheese Man Chris
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i wouldn't calla gsi a classic
Sorry I dont mean classic classic. But a rare car thats top of the range classic 
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flybikeslee
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oh oky doky
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andy1868
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maybe not a classic, but collectable definately. no doubt it'll go the same way as the novas, like that minty mint white irmscher number that i saw at PVS 08 (somebody must have photos of it)
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flybikeslee
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i know the one you mean, was at the autosport show the year before this one
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DizzyRebel
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You mean people want to keep it original?
Even people with real classics such as mk1/mk2 escorts, S1 rs turbos, MK1 golf gti's etc dont keep them standard.
Concours is fine for the enthusiast, but boring for the driver. Id sooner have a car thats been modified so its fun to drive and more aesthetically pleasing than one thats been returned to as it left the factory.
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Nic Barnes
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You mean people want to keep it original?
Even people with real classics such as mk1/mk2 escorts, S1 rs turbos, MK1 golf gti's etc dont keep them standard.
Concours is fine for the enthusiast, but boring for the driver. Id sooner have a car thats been modified so its fun to drive and more aesthetically pleasing than one thats been returned to as it left the factory.
depends what the car was tbh though. lotus carlton, escort cossie all amazing cars as std. id rather own a mint std one than a modded one.
a corsa is, well, crap, so modifying it is the only option.
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corsa120
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i dont call ate brakes and middle of the road koni's sufficient enough evidence to say what is better, i do agree the 2.0 may need correct poundage springs etc etc to counter-act the little amount of extra weight...
for me surely the engine conversion must play a big part, decent mounts/bushes/tracking/camber/cv joints to name few things which will all play a major part of the cars characteristics...... ate brakes are fine but what pads/discs are you running and fixed damper like koni yellows are still pretty BUDGET suspension in my eyes so cant expect miracles..
even not having the brakes bias valve on the corsa not setup properly can make normal 1.6 very ropey under hard braking (trust me i know) in mrs 1.6 sport 
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jr
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the point that i was trying to put across was using the same suspension and brake set up you can tell and feel a diffrence
the point would be totally irelevent if one car was on standard shocks and the other on coilovers and 4 pots
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Nic Barnes
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Originally posted by jr
the point that i was trying to put across was using the same suspension and brake set up you can tell and feel a diffrence
the point would be totally irelevent if one car was on standard shocks and the other on coilovers and 4 pots
 of course it would be irrelevant
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corsa120
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all im saying jr is how do you know how worn parts were on each vehicles as in mileage/age/treatment the car has has had im just saying the test has got to be strict in comparison to the one you did in my opinion
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