Partyvan
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It's nice to hear of people's relatives caught up in WW2, fortunately I was very lucky. My grandfather served in the British Army as a surgeon and radiographer. My grandmother also training in medicine was caught up in the invasion of the low countries and narrowly escaped the Hitler Youth machine gunning a street full of retreating Belgian troops. She recalls being trapped in a house with bullets whizzing by the windows and mortar shells bursting outside.
On the other side of the family my grandmother was raised in the country in Wiltshire, and recalls a trio of German fighter planes flying low over the fields, she feared being strafed but they were looking for RAF fighters. My grandfather on that side was too young to fight in WW2 but flew Lancasters after the war in the anti-submarine role.
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MarkSport
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My dads dad was in the army but died before I was born. I really wish I had been given the privledge to meet him
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Havoc
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Originally posted by DannyB
That's what I mean, fuck human rights it's OUR country, if they dont like it so much then why the fuck are they here living off our taxes?
oh i was agreeing with you, but the government is far too soft.
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Jambo
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My grandma was chased by 109 strafing a Lomdon street she ran into a bakery with 2 other people and the rounds smashed the window taking out slbasically the entire front ofthe shop. None of them where hurt bust as you would imagine even utill the day she died she had a very big disliking for Germans.
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Jambo
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Blame the liberals basically.
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Ojc
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Liberals aka Students who haven't a fucking clue about the real world.
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3CorsaMeal
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you should go down and skirmish them with your airsoft mate.
pop a plastic ball in their mo'foing ass'
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Ojc
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I'm going nuts here
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Partyvan
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Does anyone else feel that modern conflicts like Afghan and Iraq are a bit tame by comparison to the world wars? Don't get me wrong I've got a lot of respect for current soldiers but when you hear of half a dozen casualties a month it's not really that shocking when you think of the tens of millions of deaths in WW1/2.
Today troops are deployed in their hundreds, in batallion sized formations. Back then it was divisions (8,000-12,000 men) grouped into Corps of several divisions. These then got joined into Army Groups and fronts, some of which stretched into the millions. Eg Eastern front 1941-1945 had armies of 4-8 million on each side.
Puts it into perspective.
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Ojc
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I had this discussion yesterday with my mum, when awards are given out for bravery when under fire from the Taliban (who can't shoot for shit) usually one as well, but in WW2 they were underfire from hundreds of troops.
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Jambo
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Well err that was a world war, conscript. This is a conflict in a single country to an army to chicken shit to wear a uniform. Less horrific? In terms of scale then obviously that's a given, I doubt it's any less horrific it's still human against human with guns and ammo. Just instead of tiger tanks the chicken shits hide in schools and brainwash cavedwelling types who have only ever read the Quran and never been educated.
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JonnyJ
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Its why i said on the first page i always give an extra bit of thought to those who fought in those wars. The conditions they had to fight in were utterly abysmal. How the kept going is beyond me but they get nothing but big, big respect from me for doing it. Incredible.
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kav
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Check this out, Lloyds insurance at 11am.
this gave me goose bumps wen i looked at it
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Partyvan
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I'd just like to post the story of HMS Hood as a rememberance to the often forgotten crew
One more from me, another story I find tragic
When the German battleship Bismarck sailed for the Atlantic in May 1941, the Royal Navy's Battlecruiser HMS Hood, together with the newly-commissioned battleship Prince of Wales, was sent out in pursuit, along with several other groups of British capital ships to intercept the German ships before they could break into the Atlantic and attack Allied convoys.
Battleship Bismark
Battlecruiser Hood
Hood was commanded by Captain Ralph Kerr and flying the flag of Vice-Admiral Lancelot Holland. The German ships were spotted by two British heavy cruisers on the 23rd May and Holland’s ships caught up with Bismarck and her escort, the heavy cruiser Prinz Eugen (pronounced, Oy - Gun), in the Denmark Strait between Greenland and Iceland on 24 May.
The British squadron spotted the Germans at 05:37 a.m., but the Germans were already aware of their presence. The British opened fire at 05:52 with Hood engaging Prinz Eugen, the lead ship in the German formation, and the Germans returned fire 05:55, both ships concentrating on Hood. Prinz Eugen (probably) was the first ship to score when a shell hit Hood's boat deck, between her funnels, and started a large fire among the ready-use ammunition for the anti-aircraft guns and rockets, while Hood was turning 20° to port to unmask her rear turrets, she was hit again on the boat deck by one or more shells from Bismarck's fifth salvo, fired from a range of approximately 16,650 metres (18,210 yd). This same shell, or another from the same salvo, appears to have hit the spotting top as the boat deck was showered with body parts and debris.
Almost immediately, a huge jet of flame burst out of Hood from the vicinity of the mainmast. This was followed by a devastating magazine explosion that destroyed the after part of the ship. This explosion broke the back of Hood and the last sight of the ship, which sank in only three minutes, was her bow, nearly vertical in the water
The explosion of the main magazine shattered windows in houses over 600 miles away and was heard throughout Denmark, Norway and the UK.
Of the 1,418 crew, only three men (Ted Briggs (1923–2008), Robert Tilburn (1921–1995) and William John Dundas (1921–1965)) survived.
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Jake
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Originally posted by Ojc
I had this discussion yesterday with my mum, when awards are given out for bravery when under fire from the Taliban (who can't shoot for shit) usually one as well, but in WW2 they were underfire from hundreds of troops.
its the way of the world. hundreds of years ago you only got a knighthood if you killed 100men, now look whats happened you get one for running around in a circle
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Edd
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RIP
Why are they selling poppies, Mummy?
Selling poppies in town today.
The poppies, child, are flowers of love.
For those who marched away.
But why have they chosen a poppy, Mummy?
Why not a beautiful rose?
Because my child, men fought and died
In the fields where the poppies grow.
But why are the poppies so red, Mummy?
Why are the poppies so red?
Red is the colour of blood, my child.
The blood that our soldiers shed.
The heart of the poppy is black, Mummy.
Why does it have to be black?
Black, my child, is the symbol of grief.
For those who never came back.
But why, Mummy are you crying so?
Your tears are giving you pain.
My tears are my fears for you my child.
For the world is forgetting again
the last line strikes a chord with me after some of the scenes we've had to endured up here this last week
LEST WE FORGET
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Jambo
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Just found out on the third time my Great Grandad went ove true top he was wound he was 1/38 men who went over the top he was the sole survivor!!
I very nearly didn't exist because of the Bosch!!
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Ojc
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I only exist because of a V1 flying bomb, had my two todler aunties not been killed then my nan & grandad would not have had my dad and his brother and sister.
[Edited on 11-11-2010 by Ojc]
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Jambo
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We are like destiny brothers OJC, formed from the ashes of the Allies
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My Grandad was shot twice in the war. Used to show me his scars 
Heard so many family stories from him and others as a lot have a military background or are still involved.
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Russ
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http://bit.ly/aJfA9I
Buy it ojc
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