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Ian
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18th Dec 10 at 12:32   View Garage View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote
Problem is the proper lines don't generally get dry because people don't use them.

That shell - how bare is bare?
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Dunno there are no pics, but after having a bump in one im not convinced on french saftey, think that hole in the side proves how thin the metal is

Drives supercharged Tec with torque
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18th Dec 10 at 12:39   View Garage View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote
Thin metal is good, lighter.

It's also more than you have in a Caterham, and they go faster!
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I love Gav.
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quote:
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Dunno there are no pics, but after having a bump in one im not convinced on french saftey, think that hole in the side proves how thin the metal is


I wrote a Saxo off in a mk3 astra going 5mph in a car park, pulled out as he was driving past. His B pillar was fucked and all the astra wants from it was a new pass side headlight, indicator and wing.

Bamboo and rice paper always comes to mind when I see them now.
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Dunno there are no pics, but after having a bump in one im not convinced on french saftey, think that hole in the side proves how thin the metal is


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Cage it


There's the safety issue sorted and as Ian said, tin can metal = light. I'd find out what's left of the shell then work from there, if it's completely bare then it's pointless but if it's got panels that you need then it could be worth going for
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Cage is also heavy and expensive, I've no plans for one until I start actually going fast.

I know it's a controversial point but I don't really feel a cage necessary for a public track day in road cars.

And try and find something cheap or free that isn't too naked, just more work.
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the classic french car snap - done that in fads clio and wasnt going fast :/

i do think it was unlucky looking at the video, diff pulled the front wheels in under acceration and slight steering angle of which the rears didnt want to follow
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Originally posted by Ian
Cage is also heavy and expensive, I've no plans for one until I start actually going fast.

I know it's a controversial point but I don't really feel a cage necessary for a public track day in road cars.

And try and find something cheap or free that isn't too naked, just more work.


cage is a massive handling aid though
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Yeah never experienced the comparison, on that comment I would probably appreciate the difference.
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reshell reshell reshell. you wont need anything bar a rolling shell, which are 10 a penny



Theres a furio shell going for £100 local, sleeper

Stop tempting me


lovely when you getting it
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quote:
Originally posted by Ian
Cage is also heavy and expensive, I've no plans for one until I start actually going fast.

I know it's a controversial point but I don't really feel a cage necessary for a public track day in road cars.

And try and find something cheap or free that isn't too naked, just more work.


cage is a massive handling aid though


not allways

making the shell stiffer doesnt allways make a car handle better.

:keeps stiring:
Mike
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quote:
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Cage is also heavy and expensive, I've no plans for one until I start actually going fast.

I know it's a controversial point but I don't really feel a cage necessary for a public track day in road cars.

And try and find something cheap or free that isn't too naked, just more work.


cage is a massive handling aid though


That's the main reason I've wanted one. When I used to jack the Corsa up, it was that flexible it was sometimes a struggle to get the door open so getting rid of all that flex must help. There's also the few occasions when I've spun and could've potentially dug in and rolled if the ground had been slightly more firm
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when you jacked the saxo up the doors wouldnt shut or the boot


Was going to go work on the car in a bit but im now snowed in and dont fancy driving the ctr in a blizzard, two dead cars in one weekend isnt a good look

Drives supercharged Tec with torque
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friend of a friend used to race a 205 , his rollcage used to touch the a and b pillar when going round corners on track.
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Thats a bummer mate, if you hadnt corrected it looks like it wouldnt have hit anything
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really annoying crash too gav .. i did similar over there a couple of times in mine but thankfully it never snatched the otherway. , was dry tho when i went. and not an ice park

[Edited on 18-12-2010 by SportBoy]
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why have you quoted yourself and retyped what you said?
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quote:
Originally posted by SportBoy
quote:
Originally posted by jr
quote:
Originally posted by Ian
Cage is also heavy and expensive, I've no plans for one until I start actually going fast.

I know it's a controversial point but I don't really feel a cage necessary for a public track day in road cars.

And try and find something cheap or free that isn't too naked, just more work.


cage is a massive handling aid though


not allways

making the shell stiffer doesnt allways make a car handle better.

:keeps stiring:


I my experience it makes a huge noticable difference and would always be top of any list I made for a track/day car.
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why have you quoted yourself and retyped what you said?


edited it properly now
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friend of a friend used to race a 205 , his rollcage used to touch the a and b pillar when going round corners on track.


if you tie it into the a and b pillar then that wont happen
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oh he knew .. just didnt bother him
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its this that kind of worried me about taking my clio 197 on track, it handles really well on the road and you can get the back to flick out easier then any other fwd car i have driven! if it did happen on track dont wanna wreck the clio!

in contrast the van which has super light rear end i have never had the back come our really part from on semi slicks in very wet conditions which was nice and slow how it came out, only slight and the power quite happly dragged it straight!
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There was a green astra van there (in the pics) had a big moment a graham hill bend and went off roading. In fact most cars had a moment at some point

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its this that kind of worried me about taking my clio 197 on track, it handles really well on the road and you can get the back to flick out easier then any other fwd car i have driven! if it did happen on track dont wanna wreck the clio!

in contrast the van which has super light rear end i have never had the back come our really part from on semi slicks in very wet conditions which was nice and slow how it came out, only slight and the power quite happly dragged it straight!


i had a 197 spin in front of me at the same corner as gavin crashed. first lap so prob cold rear tyres

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