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Nic Barnes

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28th Feb 12 at 19:44

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Originally posted by Ojc
Ok respond to my friend request

No thanks

A2H GO

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28th Feb 12 at 19:50

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Originally posted by Jambo
How is a TT a better small hot hatch than a Clio?

Better build quality
Better styling (debatable)
Better residuals
Faster
More options
4WD
Don't look as much of a chav (perhaps more like a hairdresser)

All the fundamentals really.

[Edited on 28-02-2012 by A2H GO]

big eck

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28th Feb 12 at 20:00

I kinda see what your saying. I'd rather have a new shape S3, which I suspect is a much better car over the clio if I had to have a hot hatch at that price.

[Edited on 28-02-2012 by big eck]

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28th Feb 12 at 20:09

Like the clio but hate matte colours. I agree with A2H G0 if i had 20k i would try and get the best possible car i could with that. Buying brand new to me is stupid and just not for me

[Edited on 28-02-2012 by cunningham]

A2H GO

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28th Feb 12 at 20:31

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Originally posted by big eck
I kinda see what your saying. I'd rather have a new shape S3, which I suspect is a much better car over the clio if I had to have a hot hatch at that price.

[Edited on 28-02-2012 by big eck]

I want a new shape S3 next but still got two years on my current deal

Jambo

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28th Feb 12 at 20:40

That's not the point I'm getting at Ash.

Servicing, fuel, insurance, tax, parts all more expensive and it's NOT A HATCH.

So a useless comparison. I see what your saying but its a bit of a pointless thing to say its not worth it. Because if it wasnt worth it you wouldn't be able to buy a nearly new TT as nobody would have bought new.

New vs new in the same segment. No point saying that Ferrari F355 is only £30k so why would I buy a TT? Fast, better build quality, better materials, better noise much. Enter styling etc etc etc

Jambo

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28th Feb 12 at 20:43

And if you lease it, you won't pay £20k for it. Plus you won't have to worry about MOTs, expensive gear box rebuilds or anything like that. Plus it comes with 4 new tyres, new brakes all round, wiperblades, bushes, steering wheel garuntee that it's never been smoked in, crashed, stolen, badly repaired or a heap. Covered if anything goes wrong.

You can't argue the two as they are different ways of buying a car. Somebody in the market for a hot hatch won't be looking at an old TT.

[Edited on 28-02-2012 by Jambo]

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28th Feb 12 at 21:26

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Originally posted by Jambo
Somebody in the market for a hot hatch won't be looking at an old TT.

[Edited on 28-02-2012 by Jambo]

I know mate that's why I said "I'd rather have a second hand TTS/[insert generic better car]" it wasn't a generalisation. Were not talking old either, 12-18 months at most so most of the things you've mentioned above still apply.

Maybe its just me getting old as I used to love the Renault sport range.

[Edited on 28-02-2012 by A2H GO]

Jambo

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28th Feb 12 at 21:58

But the running costs still apply as does the lack of practicality!

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29th Feb 12 at 13:41

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Originally posted by John

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Originally posted by Steve

quote:
Originally posted by Ben G
looks fantastic but circa 20k for a small hatch seems extortionate.

[internet]but you never pay the list price if you go into the dealer they will knock 50% off[/internet]

Not sure on the clio but that's completely true for the corsa.

well not 50% but not far off

I got over 5k off the VXR

3CorsaMeal

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29th Feb 12 at 13:44

£5k just vanish into thin air

shows how made up the prices up really, if they can lose £5k, people really are sucked in by new cars, but as said before, i'm glad people do buy them to keep the 2nd hand car market fresh

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29th Feb 12 at 13:45

if i saw something for £20k and was thinking of buying it, and then they said it could be £15k instead, i would go mad thinking i'm buying a £10k car in reality and they nearly stitched me up for £20k

[Edited on 29-02-2012 by 3CorsaMeal]

whitter45

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29th Feb 12 at 13:48

quote:
Originally posted by 3CorsaMeal
£5k just vanish into thin air

shows how made up the prices up really, if they can lose £5k, people really are sucked in by new cars, but as said before, i'm glad people do buy them to keep the 2nd hand car market fresh

didnt vanish just never got presented with the book price

Did have to even try and get money knocked off they just did it

Its like second cars on dealer forecourts - no one pays the advertised price - they are priced for new car buyers i.e the new car salesman can go " look how much a 3 yr old one costs so they don't lose money"

and if your trading a car its irrelevant how much you get for your car or how much they knock off the new car - its about how much you have pay to pay extra

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29th Feb 12 at 13:50

quote:
Originally posted by 3CorsaMeal
if i saw something for £20k and was thinking of buying it, and then they said it could be £15k instead, i would go mad thinking i'm buying a £10k car in reality and they nearly stitched me up for £20k

[Edited on 29-02-2012 by 3CorsaMeal]

its called marketing Jim - please live in the 21st century

All retail outlets do it - i,e why does DFS always have a sale. So they can make out your getting something for a lower price when they shoudl just have a low fixed price all year round

3CorsaMeal

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29th Feb 12 at 13:52

end of the day your still paying their wages/overheads, which puts me off dealers. The fact they can change prices about and make you feel like the winner, just puts me off.

I think its "salesmen" i don't like, usually all up their own arse

3CorsaMeal

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29th Feb 12 at 13:57

DFS customers are almost the exact same sort of people that go into a car dealership and buy a new nearly bottom of the range car every 3yrs because the brake pads wear out and mean the car is risky to drive

i don't agree with the DFS sofa shop either, its like the eisenegger sale and i wouldn't go into eisenegger.

-DFS Sofa
-Eisenegger outdoor jacket
-Ford zetec on the drive

John

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29th Feb 12 at 14:09

If you feel like a winner because they've 'discounted' the car to going rate that's your problem, not the dealers.

So unless you can't decide what a car is worth before you speak to a saleman there's no problem really

whitter45

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29th Feb 12 at 14:12

quote:
Originally posted by John
If you feel like a winner because they've 'discounted' the car to going rate that's your problem, not the dealers.

So unless you can't decide what a car is worth before you speak to a saleman there's no problem really

exactly

Ben G

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29th Feb 12 at 14:49

quote:
Originally posted by 3CorsaMeal
DFS customers are almost the exact same sort of people that go into a car dealership and buy a new nearly bottom of the range car every 3yrs because the brake pads wear out and mean the car is risky to drive

i don't agree with the DFS sofa shop either, its like the eisenegger sale and i wouldn't go into eisenegger.

-DFS Sofa
-Eisenegger outdoor jacket
-Ford zetec on the drive

you dont go into dfs shops because you live at home with your mum like a raging perverse night stalker wannabe.

dfs are crap though, my sofa is a bad desigb, had them out 3 times in 18 months to repair it.

i also have a fiesta zetec but it cost me 8495 and not bullshit salesman price 12995

[Edited on 29-02-2012 by Ben G]

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29th Feb 12 at 15:15

yeah, i've never needed a sofa, bought a bensons bed though, was half the price it should of been. £1800, but special price of £899 to me

My mates asked me what bed i got, i explained it all, but really all they wanted to know was the price, i said £899, then they all start coming out with, yeah mine was a £1600 bed, or i have a £1000 bed.

couldn't tell me anything about the bed but the price.

i suspect they are quoting the pre sale price anyway.

i feel the same with certain cars, your not driving £20k worth of car. In reality my bed is probably a couple of hundred pounds worth and i know it.

3CorsaMeal

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29th Feb 12 at 15:16

I'm not being angry Ben, just the way i feel.

Do you have an eisenegger jacket or something?

Ben G

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29th Feb 12 at 15:24

no mate, only superdry, special offer discount too

A2H GO

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29th Feb 12 at 16:43

quote:
Originally posted by John
If you feel like a winner because they've 'discounted' the car to going rate that's your problem, not the dealers.

So unless you can't decide what a car is worth before you speak to a saleman there's no problem really

There is, 99% of the time the car is worth less than the dealers best price (understandably they have to make money) which is why I don't waste my time with them in the first place.

[Edited on 29-02-2012 by A2H GO]

John

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29th Feb 12 at 16:44

How can the car be worth less than the best price?

If you can't possibly get that car cheaper anywhere else you are getting it for exactly what it's worth.

The car costs less money than that to make yes, that's just getting stupid though.

A2H GO

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29th Feb 12 at 17:04

quote:
Originally posted by John
How can the car be worth less than the best price?

I forget we're talking 'new' here. My comment applys to 6 month+ old cars.

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