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he doesnt do it anymore? 3 words
paraguay
trinidad
ecuador
Yes he put decent balls in...but with Lennon playing 90 mins in his place in each of them games im sure the results would have been a lot better and the victory a lot more comfortable than what they are...the team performance would have been better too...
Im confident with Lennon in place of Beckham we would cause more problems...besides what else bar them crosses etc did beckham do?? Nothing....today his crossing what shite...and we have Lampard and Gerrard who can take set pieces....
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but beckham hasnt been playing his best and is still being the man that wins us games, lamps is playing shit and doing nothing for the team. joe cole was also very poor today, selfish and useless as he is most days
yes beckham won us this game with the one thing he did well all game, but I personally think if Lennon was on all game we would of been more attacking and scored alot more goals than if Beckham was on!
[Edited on 25-06-2006 by Ian]
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but beckham hasnt been playing his best and is still being the man that wins us games, lamps is playing shit and doing nothing for the team. joe cole was also very poor today, selfish and useless as he is most days
Your taking the piss?? I would say Joe Cole has been Englands best player so far in the WC...
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Beckham offers nothing...
Set pieces...he has scored one in three years. Gerrard or Lampard could do that. Plus in the last few games his balls into the box have been very, very, poor.
Defending...he played against Sweden and made ZERO tackles. That is a fact. So that left Carra playing RB on his own against one of the best wingers in the WC, Freddie Ljundberd (sp?!)
lampard and gerrard have been shit ALL world cup, they wouldnt of scored that free kick. please just watch the highlight tonight and see how much running becks did. he wasnt involved in the sweden game cos all the play was going threw the left flank, he deserves his place in the starting XI imo.
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I would say Joe Cole has been Englands best player so far in the WC...
 why? cos he scored a good goal against sweden, j.cole will pick the ball up on the left wing, cut inside onto his righ (he has no left foot) go past 3 players then smack the ball at the next man trying to score from 25 yards cos hes seen gerrard and lampard do it. joe cole waste 95% of his passes. how can you not see this
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Beckham offers nothing...
Set pieces...he has scored one in three years. Gerrard or Lampard could do that. Plus in the last few games his balls into the box have been very, very, poor.
Defending...he played against Sweden and made ZERO tackles. That is a fact. So that left Carra playing RB on his own against one of the best wingers in the WC, Freddie Ljundberd (sp?!)
lampard and gerrard have been shit ALL world cup, they wouldnt of scored that free kick. please just watch the highlight tonight and see how much running becks did. he wasnt involved in the sweden game cos all the play was going threw the left flank, he deserves his place in the starting XI imo.
If you beleive for one minute Beckham played well today then I dont know what football match you have been watching...regarding the Sweden game theres not being involved and then theres not making a single tackle in 90 mins!!!!
Lampard has been shite all WC..Gerrard has been a lot better though even playing out of position most the time....
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Your taking the piss?? I would say Joe Cole has been Englands best player so far in the WC...
why? cos he scored a good goal against sweden, j.cole will pick the ball up on the left wing, cut inside onto his righ (he has no left foot) go past 3 players then smack the ball at the next man trying to score from 25 yards cos hes seen gerrard and lampard do it. joe cole waste 95% of his passes. how can you not see this
He was our best player against Paraguay...he caused T+T lots of problems...he scored and played well against Sweden....today ok he wasnt as good as the previous matches but he still did ok...
To be honest with you mate you have just proved how little you know about football and how much of a cunt you are...
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so many players are playing on reputaiton, gerrard has been in a shooting position LOADS of times, out of position or not, and hes wasted all his shots bar 1. lampard has wasted all of his.
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lampard and gerrard have been shit ALL world cup, they wouldnt of scored that free kick. please just watch the highlight tonight and see how much running becks did. he wasnt involved in the sweden game cos all the play was going threw the left flank, he deserves his place in the starting XI imo.
Gerrard has been shite? He has been played 90mins defensive in the first game, 75mins in the second, and came on for 20mins in the last. (groups) Yet has scored 2 goals...more than any other England player.
Lampard has been attacking all the time with more shots than anyone. Yes if this was Gerrard more goals would of been scored but he was still better than Beckham.
Beckham has played a good ball in for Crouch. Scored a great free kick but that is it in 4 games. He might of run around alot but he tackled no one, passed to no one and crossed to no one. He has been the worst player in the team....and I actually like the guy normally!!!
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so many players are playing on reputaiton, gerrard has been in a shooting position LOADS of times, out of position or not, and hes wasted all his shots bar 1. lampard has wasted all of his.
Yeah, played in that defensive role for 75% of his time on the pitch yet still Englands top scorer 
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Quotes trimmed, can you not quote the entire reply in your own please!
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our best player against paraguay was crouch definatly for his 1st half performance, won almost everything he went for and wasted hardly anything. if you think joe cole passing a ball 4-5 yards to ashley cole makes him our best player you have some very weird views on football. prime example today, gerrard overlaps joe cole on the left, joe cole has to play the ball 10 feet to gerrard whos making a good run forward, but instead, he plays it to close to the defender. happens time and time again. downing might not have the flare or the skill, but he will run to the byline and put a cross in with his left foot. cole tried this today, but his pass was 10 feet away from everyone and rolled harmlessly out
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cosmo, im not denying his been playing defensive, but he has has his fair share of shots, one went in ..
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our best player against paraguay was crouch definatly for his 1st half performance, won almost everything he went for and wasted hardly anything. if you think joe cole passing a ball 4-5 yards to ashley cole makes him our best player you have some very weird views on football. prime example today, gerrard overlaps joe cole on the left, joe cole has to play the ball 10 feet to gerrard whos making a good run forward, but instead, he plays it to close to the defender. happens time and time again. downing might not have the flare or the skill, but he will run to the byline and put a cross in with his left foot. cole tried this today, but his pass was 10 feet away from everyone and rolled harmlessly out
Cole was hite today, Im sure he'll admit this himself. But was still the best player in 2 out of the 3 group games.
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cosmo, we played sweden once not twice.
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cosmo, im not denying his been playing defensive, but he has has his fair share of shots, one went in ..
So Gerrard plays in an attacking role for about 1 1/2 games out of 4, scores 2 goals and is playing shite? Yur having a laugh. Play him in th right position with the right players and he'll of socred double that by now.
If he'd had had the amount of shots Lampard had he'd of scored mroe than ZERO. If he had been as far forward as Beckham in all the games he'd of scored more than ZERO....infact he has scored more than ZERO from a deeper role!!!
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cosmo, we played sweden once not twice.
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you said cole has been motm twice, he has played decent just once...
i wish i had a list of how many shots lampard and gerrard had had each, im sure there hasnt been that much difference.
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Oh come on here,
In the grand scheme of things, with all the countries playing, 36 degrees isnt that hot.
Using the heat issue when playing against sides from nearer the equator is a joke tbh. We've had time to adjust, we just haven't.
Plain stupid.
In my job ive seen people (males) doing 12 hour days digging trenches in 50+ degrees heat.
Case rested really?
where do you work? there are only a few places on earth that reach temps 50+c
one such place earns the name death alley as nit much survives and that operates at 56 deg c, so really where are these people that dig 12 hours in such conditions
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Not a brilliant performance, but we held them off well making best use of the formation we had to hand. Not to say we didn't have some brilliant attempts because we did and it could have so easily have been 2-0 I think. We got the result we needed though, but I think we may struggle from here on. Hopefully Neville will be ready then and bring soemthing that we've being lacking
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you said cole has been motm twice, he has played decent just once...
i wish i had a list of how many shots lampard and gerrard had had each, im sure there hasnt been that much difference.
during the Sweden game the commentator said Lampard had had the most shots in the WC so far, more than ANY other player. And considering Gerrard both hadnt played in that game AND hasnt played no where near as forward as Lampard has I doubt if he has had half the shots he has...not to mention Gerrard has socred two is his amount of shots already!
Im not saying Gerrard has played world class, as he hasnt. Im not even saying Lampard has played badly, as I dont think he has. Im saying Beckham hasnt been deserving of his place in the starting midfield four, as I really think at the moment Lennon would offer more forward attack (and probably defensive seems Beckham didnt make ONE tackle during the Sweden game).
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beckham has made : 43 crosses 51 longpasses and 98 short passes and commited only 3 fouls
joe cole has made : 20 crosses 13 long passes and 120 short passes (119 to ashley cole? ) and commited 9 fouls
i know who id drop..
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oh and beckham got motm for T&T, j.cole got it for sweden.
and as for beckham not tackling, JC has made 2 tackles, and has commited 2 fouls.50/50 chance of giving away a free kick everytimes he makes a challenge
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oh and beckham got motm for T&T, j.cole got it for sweden.
and as for beckham not tackling, JC has made 2 tackles, and has commited 2 fouls.50/50 chance of giving away a free kick everytimes he makes a challenge
you dont half chatter some shit
im not refering to the above quote by the way,just in general
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