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Ben J

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11th May 10 at 13:12

quote:
Originally posted by CorsAsh-Sport
All well and good saying remap this, box that, but you can't use the power in the lower gears all the time as the torque will soon eat the gearbox/clutch etc. In fact a lot of people say don't plant your foot in 1st or 2nd at all and to only open it up in 3rd. This makes it a car you can only put your foot down in every so often and only when its running out of puff anyway and even then its in the back of your mind all the time, unless your within the warrenty period

[Edited on 11-05-2010 by CorsAsh-Sport]

Mine was driven pretty hard but I had no issues. Went like a train and never put a foot wrong in 2 years. I boxed it after it had done 1000 miles. Sold it at 22k miles.

John

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11th May 10 at 14:05

I've not got a problem with putting the power down or anything, just that it's not as fast as people make out, and this is coming from someone who isn't shy of saying diesels are quick.

Warren G

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11th May 10 at 14:15

john is yours mapped or tuning box

tuning boxes feel quick, but the power dies off early, peaks with shit loads (far to much) torque and smoke then power just tails off

remaped pulls to 5k

Ben J

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11th May 10 at 14:23

However.....Remap costs £500. Tuning box costs £200 and can be removed in 2 minutes for servicing/warrenty work etc.

mattk

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11th May 10 at 14:30

aye what do they drive like with the boxes on? mine makes peak tourque at 2450rpm and peak power at 3950rpm

I asked for it to be progressive, a lad who was there at the same time had his mapped so it made 315ft/lbs at 1800rpm

Ojc

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11th May 10 at 14:33

WTF

mattk

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11th May 10 at 14:35

I dont know him he just happened to be there on the same day, I followed him back to the M25 and the smoke under normal driving was fucking stupid, must have felt like one hell of a kick though

John

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11th May 10 at 14:44

quote:
Originally posted by Warren G
john is yours mapped or tuning box

tuning boxes feel quick, but the power dies off early, peaks with shit loads (far to much) torque and smoke then power just tails off

remaped pulls to 5k

I've got a box but it doesn't behave like that, the RR graphs also show them to be very similar so you must be basing it on a bad/badly set up box.

A remap would be better but with these engines there isn't much in it, not enough to be the difference between as fast as a vxr and not as fast as a vxr, most people who say it's as fast as a vxr are also running boxes.

Round a track there would be nothing in it, it's not that big a difference, in a straight line though the vxr would have no problem.

A2H GO

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11th May 10 at 15:37

quote:
Originally posted by Ben J

quote:
Originally posted by CorsAsh-Sport
All well and good saying remap this, box that, but you can't use the power in the lower gears all the time as the torque will soon eat the gearbox/clutch etc. In fact a lot of people say don't plant your foot in 1st or 2nd at all and to only open it up in 3rd. This makes it a car you can only put your foot down in every so often and only when its running out of puff anyway and even then its in the back of your mind all the time, unless your within the warrenty period

[Edited on 11-05-2010 by CorsAsh-Sport]

Mine was driven pretty hard but I had no issues. Went like a train and never put a foot wrong in 2 years. I boxed it after it had done 1000 miles. Sold it at 22k miles.

Im just going off personal experience and that of people i know with boxed 1.9's. There's a new 'My gearbox has gone' or 'New clutch fitted under warranty' thread on AON everytime you look on there, sometimes from users without them boxed. Then they get hammered for having driven them hard....but why would you want a remap/box and not be able to use to its full potential?

Kano

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11th May 10 at 15:46

quote:
Originally posted by John

quote:
Originally posted by Warren G
john is yours mapped or tuning box

tuning boxes feel quick, but the power dies off early, peaks with shit loads (far to much) torque and smoke then power just tails off

remaped pulls to 5k

I've got a box but it doesn't behave like that, the RR graphs also show them to be very similar so you must be basing it on a bad/badly set up box.

Agree with you there, mine is very smooth all the way to 4k+.. I find when the box is off it has power for the first few k then it just dies.

Warren G

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11th May 10 at 17:40

have you ever been in a remapped car?

iv been in both

boxes seem to smoke more, dont pick up aswell off boost

might have more of a kick, but dont forget all its doing to adding fuel, doesnt pull to 5k, start going flat at 4 like standard, you have to change gear sooner

drive a mapped one, then see the differnce

to be honest theres a differnce between keeping up and being the same or even pulling on a car

my astra keeps up with 300bhp scooby, doesnt mean its as fast etc etc

but considering what it is, id be more than happy to 'keep up' in a mapped or tuning boxed derv tbh

[Edited on 11-05-2010 by Warren G]

John

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11th May 10 at 17:44

Not a remapped astra specifically no.

I'm telling you my car behaves more like you're describing a mapped one does though, which is backed up by the graphs.

Warren G

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11th May 10 at 17:47

lets have a looky then at the graphs

John

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11th May 10 at 17:47

Can't be annoyed raking through AON, there's a whole section for th tuning boxes.

Mark.W

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11th May 10 at 17:49

quote:
Originally posted by Warren G
http://media.photobucket.com/image/astra%20on%20bbs%20ch%208/mandyvxr/011.jpg

bit of an idea

Any pics of these on a 5dr with xp kit?

Warren G

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11th May 10 at 18:05

i just googled thoes wheels on astra

and good read john,

http://forum.astraownersnetwork.co.uk/showthread.php?t=56773&highlight=box+remap+graphs

advantages/ disadvantages

end of the day if you havent tried both you cant compare, people have different opinions, which is fine

[Edited on 11-05-2010 by Warren G]

John

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11th May 10 at 18:06

I understand the advantages and disadvatages, I've always said a remap is better, on these engines though it's only better by a small margin.

MarkM

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11th May 10 at 19:50

The fact the box can be removed in 60 seconds clinches it for me.

Warren G

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11th May 10 at 20:09

everyone uses this

but if its that good, why remove it! lol

bit like saying, iv got a removal T39586 garrett turbo, can be put standard in 60seconds

Kano

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11th May 10 at 20:14

quote:
Originally posted by Warren G
everyone uses this

but if its that good, why remove it! lol

bit like saying, iv got a removal T39586 garrett turbo, can be put standard in 60seconds

Warranty.. Whenever mines gone in for warranty work its taken me all of 20 seconds to take the box off and the dealer is none the wiser. They spot I've got a remap and I'm screwed.

Once mines out of warranty next year I might be tempted to get it mapped but until then the box is the perfect solution.

Warren G

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11th May 10 at 20:21

was awaiting that - again i dont know why people use that as a reason

remap cant be spotted using anyform of tech2 equipment, 100% fact, nothing will show up, goes undectected

no dealers have the equipment to check the file.

only engine the ecu has to be sent away to thorney for them to check to make sure it hasnt been mapped is the corsa vxr only, as there is a common problem. and this only happens when piston no. 4 decides to melt. no over time.

Kano

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11th May 10 at 20:40

quote:
Originally posted by Warren G
was awaiting that - again i dont know why people use that as a reason

remap cant be spotted using anyform of tech2 equipment, 100% fact, nothing will show up, goes undectected

no dealers have the equipment to check the file.

only engine the ecu has to be sent away to thorney for them to check to make sure it hasnt been mapped is the corsa vxr only, as there is a common problem. and this only happens when piston no. 4 decides to melt. no over time.

Fair dos.. I was always under the impression that you could see a date or something of when the ECU had been mapped. Learnt something new..

Warren G

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11th May 10 at 20:43

theres alot of misleading people out there who start 'facts'

MarkM

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11th May 10 at 21:03

John - What's the aerial everyone goes for on the Astra's? Wouldn't mind one like the better BMWs have...sort of stubbed shark fin style...

John

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11th May 10 at 21:08

I've got one off an insignia or astra twin top on mine, not sure on the shark fin ones tbh, look a bit aftermarket.

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