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Hammer
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11th Apr 13 at 15:58   View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote
So it only works if you are short commutes to and from work yet you need to travel over 1000 miles a month for it to be financially viable?

Still doesn't make any sense, that's without factoring in you'd be driving an electric car.
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Thanks for the graph Ash, confirmed my suspicions, completely useless.

The other electric cars are all too expensive so come to the same conclusion.
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Someone I was speaking to yesterday about the Nissan Leaf was saying the battery would be free but after 5 years you might have to buy a new one at between £3000-5000.

£3000 over 60 months saving up yourself is £50.

Still doesn't help much with the figures
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100 miles every 10 days yet needs 12k a year milage to break even
Jambo
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Am I reading that right? 200 miles to £25 of petrol?!
John
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You'd get that in small engined petrol. even at slightly less than that it still makes no sense for most people.
Jambo
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Which cars?
AlunJ
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11th Apr 13 at 21:54   View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote
I only get 300miles to £50 in a small engined petrol lead foot
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12th Apr 13 at 07:35   View Garage View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote
200 miles for £25 is 50mpg.

Most cars will not do a real world 50mpg on a cold engine.

An electric car doesn't suffer from cold start fuelling related mpg shitness.
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50mpg is what the 1.2tce clio does.

Round town that is 32-36mpg.

Its not cheap to fuel. This was sold as far more "economical" than the diesel
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Not to mention the cost of petrol will rise more than the cost of charging.

Like I say, give it 5 years and you'll be able to do 350miles on a charge and it'll take you half an hour to fully charge it.
John
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Using what battery technology?
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I don't agree the ranges will shoot up - if the tech was available we'd have smartphones which could last more than 24 hours between charges.

I think instead the manufacturers just need volume of sales to reduce the manufacturing costs.

The biggest problem with the example Ash posted was the cost of renting the battery, not its range.

Reduce the battery costs and it all makes sense very quickly.
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As soon as the battery is cheap enough and of large enough capacity the energy prices will hike up. If it gets to a point that the grid is in demand instead of fuel stations, that will be taken advantage of.

There is no win for the consumer.
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quote:
Originally posted by John
Using what battery technology?


Nuclear
John
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I'm right into nuclear, seems that not everyone shares my view. Irrelevant of that, I think it'll be a while before it's common to have a reactor in the boot.

If they would build new nuclear power stations that would help.
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1.21 Gigawatts
John
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You've no clue about any of this then.
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quote:
Originally posted by John
Using what battery technology?


Lithium-polymer, maybe. Or something totally new.

Why is it so hard to believe that it will progress quickly?
John
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Because that's not how battery technology works unfortunately. As Andy says, if something that good was available we'd have phones that lasted for a month on a charge.
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We'd have that tech in phones if it was currently $1k per battery?
John
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If it's in phones you manufacture lots hence the costs come down. There's loads of stuff in development but it takes years to come to market.
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12th Apr 13 at 08:25   View Garage View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote
Ok well we won't agree on this. I think the electric car will improve. The end.
John
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I also think it will improve, I have at no point said otherwise

Also doesn't need a conventional battery to be electric btw.

[Edited on 12-04-2013 by John]
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