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Originally posted by Kev_Clio_172
GOD. of course u will beat me. but that a stupid arguement....coz ya just said ya wouldnt race an evo.....so saying that to me and rejecting a evo seems silly.... the arguement is with mattyb anyway not anyone else! because he think a 2.0 is better and faster than a 1.6 gti becasue the engine is bigger....lack of knowledge

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Originally posted by jay@ffwd
lol got scoobs as well always up for the blat.. Where u from 16v?

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Originally posted by jay@ffwd
What you had done?

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Originally posted by MattyB

CAN U NOT READ???????

The whole point above is how 2 cars, both of the SAME weight and SAME bhp, but one running a 2.0 instead of 1.6. The 50lb/torque difference will be very noticeable, especially over 60mph.

My arguement DOES NOT include cars that are heavier, and not once did i say this. That was the whole point of the above comment

Not only is a punto GT a hell of a lot lighter than a 306, but it also runs a better gear box with better ratios, and has a far longer power band, so why would u even suggest i meant that???

In no way am i sayin that torque is the be all and end all, its just you replying to posts without even reading them

Matt

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just face facts while your 306 is faster than a standard one it is slower than a 106 GTi

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Originally posted by Jacko@FFWD
Just to reply to the original discussion, Steves 106 is a very quick car, quicker than a lot, slower than some! He didn't post stating my cars this my cars that so appreciate the vid and cut the kid some slack!

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Originally posted by Simon L
MattyB> My VTR has around 119bhp and 114lb/ft of torque, and i beat a 306 DTS @ Crail by a huge distance, and it wasnt gaining on me at any point. I roughly ran a 16 flat, and he was in the 18/19's i think, some were in the 20's.

I'd be interested to see your RR graph.

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Sorry i am not familier with Crail - i guess it is a 1/4 mile strip?

Power is vital for acceleration, which is why your modified with 120bhp will storm to 60 odd a hell of a lot quicker than a D Turbo, which is low on power (for its size), and there for its 0-60 is not that impressive.

Was the DTS tuned? If so, how much bhp/torque is it running? If u dont know either of these, then ur point is useless.

A standard DTS runs 92 bhp, and the turbo doesnt boost up till 3k revs, which is very poor. The fact that beat one in a light little NA saxo with 120bhp is hardly impressive, and no one would dispute the facts u have put forward.

At a guess, i would run bout 16.5->17s 1/4, and the fact that you too would beat me up the strip is a very good forcast. I do not dispute this, and have not done so in the entire thread.

However, what i would like to do, is sit at 50mph side by side on the motorway with a car such as yours, and see what the difference is when we both launch. I feel u may be very suprize, as i can pull 50-70 in 5s.

Please also note, that up the strip, the D Turbo driver has to battle with gear changes more often that you, and gear changes also take longer due to the derv box's set up.

Matt

[Edited on 20-11-2003 by MattyB]

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I have to say that if you have a race you don;t just floor it in 5th. my car out performs a lot of cars 50-70mph in top gear however if I was racing I would drop it to 3rd no just sit in 5th

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Originally posted by Kev_Clio_172
mattyb...........stfu.

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u dont know anything mate really do u.

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if steve came up against you in a race he would wipe ya ass.

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as for 2.0 vrs 1.6....haha...u talk crap

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But if u want a 2.0 vrs 2.0 ill hammer u in a one on one....306 vrs clio 172?....

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