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Originally posted by antscorsa
theres no waya fuckin xe of any kind is better than the vtec system, mate ur talkign aboutt he 1.4xe adn 1.6 producing 200bhpo in testing but the reason they never did make the things 200bhp cos it would fuckin blow up u tit, 200bhp out of a 1.4 and not having reliability issues woteva mate, simply the fact that sum wankers on here slate the CTR yet they aint even driven one take s the ultimate piss. and as for the styling then agan people cant compare a shitty vaux astra GSi or a clio 172 cos its the same fuckin shale as the astra 6 years ago juts curved the body how fuckin boring but then that just sums vaux up imo.
lol you got some learning to do mate  Like bubblevaux said, the 16XE engine (not the X14XE/X16XE) made massive power for its capacity thanks to its design and mechanics. It was actually brought down to 109bhp by fitting a restrictive inlet manifold. This was designated the C16XE and was released into the Opel/Vauxhall Corsa B GSi. This happened because at the time, in 1992, the Astra GTE was still selling well with its famously good C20XE engine, and vuaxhall did not want its little pocket rocket brother the Corsa turning into a more capable machine than the astra. Also the Astra mk3 GSi had an imminent release with the 20XE engine too. It would have been embarressing for vauxhall to fit the unrestricted 150bhp 16XE unit into the corsa. It has been known that with Throttle Bodies, the C16XE can make 220bhp, albeit with a 10k RPM rev limit, but no fancy valve timing at top end. Incredible to say the least. Anyhow, the C20XE can easily make 290bhp with normally aspirated induction and Throttle Bodies, i would be interested to see if a CTR can make the same amount of power in NA form.
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Andy
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Originally posted by Cybermonkey24
It has been known that with Throttle Bodies, the C16XE can make 220bhp, albeit with a 10k RPM rev limit, but no fancy valve timing at top end. Incredible to say the least. Anyhow, the C20XE can easily make 290bhp with normally aspirated induction and Throttle Bodies, i would be interested to see if a CTR can make the same amount of power in NA form.
Dave
In an advanced state of tune, the X16XE can make just as much power as the C16XE. Swindon Racing's X16XE makes 220bhp WITHOUT throttle bodies  The C and X16XE can make well over 250bhp using double injectors, steel cranks, wilder cams and a 10K rev limit.
BUT - much as I'm a fan of these engines (I have a 215bhp X16XE myself), I'm sure Honda could achieve at least the same bhp per litre with their VTEC engines if they so chose. Obviously, they have to downrate them to a degree in order to make them ultra-reliable. The fact that they've never had a VTEC engine fail under warranty speaks volumes
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Robbo
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Honda have had a K20a tested up to 12,500rpm and it was fine, that was runnign well in excess of 300bhp
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Jason Iles
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Every heard or seen a VTEC blow up or fail 
Didn't think so 
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Cybermonkey
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Originally posted by Andy
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Originally posted by Cybermonkey24
It has been known that with Throttle Bodies, the C16XE can make 220bhp, albeit with a 10k RPM rev limit, but no fancy valve timing at top end. Incredible to say the least. Anyhow, the C20XE can easily make 290bhp with normally aspirated induction and Throttle Bodies, i would be interested to see if a CTR can make the same amount of power in NA form.
Dave
In an advanced state of tune, the X16XE can make just as much power as the C16XE. Swindon Racing's X16XE makes 220bhp WITHOUT throttle bodies The C and X16XE can make well over 250bhp using double injectors, steel cranks, wilder cams and a 10K rev limit.
BUT - much as I'm a fan of these engines (I have a 215bhp X16XE myself), I'm sure Honda could achieve at least the same bhp per litre with their VTEC engines if they so chose. Obviously, they have to downrate them to a degree in order to make them ultra-reliable. The fact that they've never had a VTEC engine fail under warranty speaks volumes
how exactly does swindon racing get 220bhp out of the x16xe with no throttle bodies???
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Andy
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Wild cams, lots of headwork, high compression, trick exhaust manifold. My guess is that its power band won't be as wide as using TBs, but I think they mate it to a 6-speed box to keep the engine on the boil
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Cybermonkey
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blimey, sounds rather hit and miss. Is it reliable?
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Cybermonkey
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aaah hang on, they make the engine for the super1600 corsa C right? Is it an X16XE thats used in that??
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Andy
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Originally posted by Cybermonkey24
aaah hang on, they make the engine for the super1600 corsa C right? Is it an X16XE thats used in that??
Yes - as for reliability, it prolly only has to last a season at most. These guys aren't short of a bob or two
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l33t corsa
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Originally posted by Cybermonkey24
lol you got some learning to do mate Like bubblevaux said, the 16XE engine (not the X14XE/X16XE) made massive power for its capacity thanks to its design and mechanics. It was actually brought down to 109bhp by fitting a restrictive inlet manifold. This was designated the C16XE and was released into the Opel/Vauxhall Corsa B GSi. This happened because at the time, in 1992, the Astra GTE was still selling well with its famously good C20XE engine, and vuaxhall did not want its little pocket rocket brother the Corsa turning into a more capable machine than the astra. Also the Astra mk3 GSi had an imminent release with the 20XE engine too. It would have been embarressing for vauxhall to fit the unrestricted 150bhp 16XE unit into the corsa. It has been known that with Throttle Bodies, the C16XE can make 220bhp, albeit with a 10k RPM rev limit, but no fancy valve timing at top end. Incredible to say the least. Anyhow, the C20XE can easily make 290bhp with normally aspirated induction and Throttle Bodies, i would be interested to see if a CTR can make the same amount of power in NA form.
Dave
I've seen a 2.0 ITR engine make over 250hp at the wheels NA. The new K20 can gain 55hp+ with just:
TODA Spec N2 Camshafts
TODA Uprated Valve Spring Kit
TODA USA N2 ECU Reflash
No fancy throttle bodies or head work etc. The k20 is very responsive to tuning, and no doubt bigger figures are achievable. THe key is that because of vtec the car can remain very driveable with no lumpy idle etc.
BTW you can get better top end if you remove the vtec system as it adds reciprocating mass.. but then you loose the benefit of have 2 different cam profiles.
A B16 can easily make over 200hp with NA tuning. There's no point keeping the 1600 capacity though as the conversion to 1.8 is relatively simple.
[Edited on 02-04-2004 by l33t corsa]
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Originally posted by J 11ESY
Every heard or seen a VTEC blow up or fail
Didn't think so
a few bottom ends on the CTR have gone by by
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Gavin
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i word! COMMON AS fuck!
ford RS's r the same!
pew pew pew pewwwww
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vibrio
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gay
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nik
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Originally posted by B19 GAV
i word! COMMON AS fuck!
ford RS's r the same!
yes I see lots of corsa sri's
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Tim
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I see lots of most cars -- it's called mass-production
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Originally posted by Ian Storey
http://www.sniffpetrol.com/issue042.html
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TOSSERS TAKE TYPE-R TOP TEN
There was good news for Honda this week with the release of the Motor Industry National Guild of Expert's latest figures for new car sales to wankers. The British-built hot hatch has secured a remarkable lead over its nearest rivals by entering the complete bell-end sales top ten for the first time, straight in at number two. 'The Civic Type-R has been selling well for a while now,' noted one industry observer. 'But this new chart position is something much more significant. It means the Honda has really become a complete nobber's favourite and that if you encounter a Type-R on the road you will probably notice that the driver is a total penis. Of course, driving like a cock isn't enough. This new ranking has been bolstered by other activities, in particular the hyper aggressive defence of the car on one-make internet discussion boards and a refusal to acknowledge that it isn't necessarily the best hot hatch in the entire world. Honda must be delighted. That really is the kind of utterly twatty behaviour you just can't buy.'
Elsewhere in the wanker top ten the loyal devotion of lame wannabes kept the BMW 318i at number one, a slot it has occupied for as long as anyone can remember. BMW's popularity amongst total ringpieces also kept the M3 and X5 in fourth and eight places respectively. With the Civic Type-R in at two, the Porsche Boxster slipped to third, and there was good news for Mitsubishi whose Evo VIII moved ahead of the Subaru Impreza WRX, helped by the anonymous internet poster who last month doctored Sniff Petrol's own spoof Evo advert so that it read 'Always one step ahead', something that effortlessly exposed the high wanker contingent now amongst the Evo driving community, whilst also making no fucking sense whatsoever. The Audi TT remains a top ten fixture and it was good to see a concerted programme of motorway tailgating and inappropriate sunglasses wearing has paid dividends for the now very wankery A4. Finally, good news for Citroen as the Saxo fills in the tenth place once again. That's got to be something worth celebrating, perhaps by using your front fogs when the visibility is perfect and then driving at 52mph in a 30 zone.
The twatty top ten
1. BMW 318Ci
2. Civic Type-R
3. Porsche Boxster
4. BMW M3
5. Mitsubishi Evo VIII
6. Impreza WRX
7. Audi TT
8. BMW X5
9. Audi A4
10. Citroen Saxo
I think all that list proves apart from the Saxo is that some geek is jealous of all the cars he can't actually afford 
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Also... why the problem with common cars, yes its slightly annoying seeing lots of the same car but the fact that a specialist car like the CTR are sold is only a good thing... means that it must be a good car 
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Tim
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I think my only problem with some of the cars on the list, is they still feel they have to race a Corsa... (when they know they can beat it)
A Ferrari, for example, wouldn't even bother racing a Corsa -- what have they got to prove?
[Edited on 02-04-2004 by Tim]
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Jason Iles
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I have never raced a Corsa hey Trotty 
[Edited on 02-04-2004 by J 11ESY]
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... in particular the hyper aggressive defence of the car on one-make internet discussion boards and a refusal to acknowledge that it isn't necessarily the best hot hatch in the entire world...
Why wud u want 2 deny it, its the truth... 
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Robbo
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It is
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stubbsy
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Originally posted by Tim
I think my only problem with some of the cars on the list, is they still feel they have to race a Corsa... (when they know they can beat it)
A Ferrari, for example, wouldn't even bother racing a Corsa -- what have they got to prove?
[Edited on 02-04-2004 by Tim]
like some wanker in a golf r32 sitting rite up my arse yesterday and then overtaking me and looking across laughing. yeah mate i dont think you would bother with my brothers sti 6, knob! 
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Originally posted by Robbo
... in particular the hyper aggressive defence of the car on one-make internet discussion boards and a refusal to acknowledge that it isn't necessarily the best hot hatch in the entire world...
Why wud u want 2 deny it, its the truth...
the clio cup and 182 are better hot hatches
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Robbo
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No they rnt at all... slower and not much cheaper
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