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Ben J

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7th Apr 11 at 14:13

Diesels are far from boring and these days aren't slow at all.

Jambo

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7th Apr 11 at 14:14

Diesels are for people who like lazy cars IMO.

Petrolheads are not adversed to revving an engine.

adiohead

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7th Apr 11 at 14:14

who wishes they'd bought a hybrid or electric car instead?

[Edited on 07-04-2011 by adiohead]

Graham88

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7th Apr 11 at 14:15

IMO they are, you are just saying that because you own a Diesel now, but you know you're VXR was MUCH more fun than your car (admittedly they are completely different cars but still)

I'm not saying I wouldn't have a Diesel, but I'm saying they are boring and the only people saying petrols are better own petrol cars and people who own Diesels say Diesels are better

whitter45

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7th Apr 11 at 14:18

quote:
Originally posted by Jambo
Diesels are for people who like lazy cars IMO.

Petrolheads are not adversed to revving an engine.

you could say that about any turbo engine

A derv engine is not lazy because it revs 1.5k less

3CorsaMeal

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7th Apr 11 at 14:20

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Originally posted by whitter45

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Originally posted by 3CorsaMeal
diesels weigh more and don't handle as well

just because the engine is heavier does not mean it doesn't handle as well

On that basis your rad must not handle that well with a big lump up front

you talk shit

i have a shorter wheel base and wider track to compensate

whitter45

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7th Apr 11 at 14:22

quote:
Originally posted by Graham88
IMO they are, you are just saying that because you own a Diesel now, but you know you're VXR was MUCH more fun than your car (admittedly they are completely different cars but still)

I'm not saying I wouldn't have a Diesel, but I'm saying they are boring and the only people saying petrols are better own petrol cars and people who own Diesels say Diesels are better

I disagree - it depends on your circumstances and what matters - i.e the mile I do, regardless of how much fun a petrol is to drive, it would soon bore me having to keep filling it with fuel - If i was loaded then then putting loads of fuel in wouldn't be an issue

I think both dervs and petrols have their place. Some petrol engines are shite and so are some dervs

However both can be as entertaining and rewarding to drive so there is no right or wrong other than for the person having to run the car and circumstances

And for all those saying they can get high MPG from petrols that is when they are driving like grannys which surely defeats your argument of saying petrols are more entertaining to drive

whitter45

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7th Apr 11 at 14:22

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Originally posted by 3CorsaMeal

quote:
Originally posted by whitter45

quote:
Originally posted by 3CorsaMeal
diesels weigh more and don't handle as well

just because the engine is heavier does not mean it doesn't handle as well

On that basis your rad must not handle that well with a big lump up front

you talk shit

i have a shorter wheel base and wider track to compensate

but your comment about heavier engine meaning poor handling is bollocks. Rado's dont even handle that well so a well balanced derv would be better than anyway

adiohead

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7th Apr 11 at 14:23

quote:
Originally posted by whitter45
And for all those saying they can get high MPG from petrols that is when they are driving like grannys which surely defeats your argument of saying petrols are more entertaining to drive

but the petrol can still be fun when you want it.

The diesel is pretty much linear, like a straight line, like the only way they should point.

whitter45

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7th Apr 11 at 14:26

quote:
Originally posted by adiohead

quote:
Originally posted by whitter45
And for all those saying they can get high MPG from petrols that is when they are driving like grannys which surely defeats your argument of saying petrols are more entertaining to drive

but the petrol can still be fun when you want it.

The diesel is pretty much linear, like a straight line, like the only way they should point.

so can a derv be fun just becaus eit revs 1.5k lower doesnt mean it less fun

My TT used to tail off after 5.5k and my derv is about 4k so 1.5k is not that much difference really

Ben J

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7th Apr 11 at 14:28

quote:
Originally posted by Graham88
IMO they are, you are just saying that because you own a Diesel now, but you know you're VXR was MUCH more fun than your car (admittedly they are completely different cars but still)

I'm not saying I wouldn't have a Diesel, but I'm saying they are boring and the only people saying petrols are better own petrol cars and people who own Diesels say Diesels are better

I had a DERV before the VXR too, and can see the benefits of both.

I couldn't justify a VXR now because at 23mpg av it would cost an arm and leg with me driving around for my current job.

I miss it when i get on a nice stretch of road, but for long journeys I love the Audi for quality, comfort and mpg.

I also enjoy trying to drive the big diesel quick on twisties too. More of a challenge.

But some of the high performance dervs are silly quick these days. 220bhp and enough torque to crease tarmac.

mwg

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7th Apr 11 at 14:29

I still want a 335d one day, the torque would be amazing

3CorsaMeal

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7th Apr 11 at 14:29

quote:
Originally posted by whitter45

quote:
Originally posted by 3CorsaMeal

quote:
Originally posted by whitter45

quote:
Originally posted by 3CorsaMeal
diesels weigh more and don't handle as well

just because the engine is heavier does not mean it doesn't handle as well

On that basis your rad must not handle that well with a big lump up front

you talk shit

i have a shorter wheel base and wider track to compensate

Rado's dont even handle that well

you talk worst shit, you just make up lies

[Edited on 07-04-2011 by 3CorsaMeal]

adiohead

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7th Apr 11 at 14:30

quote:
Originally posted by whitter45
so can a derv be fun just becaus eit revs 1.5k lower doesnt mean it less fun

My TT used to tail off after 5.5k and my derv is about 4k so 1.5k is not that much difference really

When I tap my 1.9JTD's pedal it feels like I'm floating on a cloud

When I tap my 1.8T's pedal it feel like I'm the lightning, from said cloud, killing people in my way

sc0ott

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7th Apr 11 at 14:31

i can only imagine any corrado handling well is when they are actually on the road / working.

Ben J

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7th Apr 11 at 14:31

quote:
Originally posted by mwg
I still want a 335d one day, the torque would be amazing

I got diesowned by one the other day.

A2H GO

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7th Apr 11 at 14:34

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Originally posted by whitter45

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Originally posted by A2H GO

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Originally posted by djgritt

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Originally posted by A2H GO
Maybe I should have said the petrol tends to be the pinacle of the range with the best diesel variants tending to have a poorer spec in terms of body styling/interior. Making it a harder choice for car enthuaists who want the top spec with the economy of a diesel.

The Mazda 6 2.2 DIESEL Sport I have was, and still is, their top of the range offering for that model...

It's a 2.2 TDi with a factory output of 185PS - Their highest output petrol is a 2.5 with 170PS.

They look identical, apart from the Diesel has an Intercooler in one of the bumper side vents, and they both come with the same heavily loaded standard-fit Equipment list.

Similarly, the Octavia vRS - yes, the Petrol in this case is more powerful etc, but to look at and equipment wise, the TDi version is identical. With the same options list... And again with the current Leon FR.

I agree that some manufacturers are cottening onto the fact that people want the performance/looks of a high end petrol with the economy of the diesel engine, Seat Leon FR is an example of this, same as the BMW 1 Series M-Sport. One has a nasty interior and the other is too expensive.

[Edited on 07-04-2011 by A2H GO]

most car manufactuerers offer the car in derv and petrol for the sam etrim

MSPORT is available in both
Sline in both
Benz sport in both
Vauxhall SRI in both
the list goes on

The fact is most days you cant tell the difference between a petrol and a derv if it is not labelled on the boot

My point wasn't that a petrol equivilent of the diesel is offered, it was more the fact that not all manufacturers offer a diesel equivilent of the top spec petrol.

Yes you can get a diesel A3,Golf,Astra but none of them look as good exterior/interior wise as the VXR, GTi, Audi S/RS versions.

Ie. If Vaux put the 1.9 CDTi engine in a VXR and called it a VXD id buy it. Same goes for VW and Audi, they won't though as it detracts from the 'performance' nature of the petrol.

[Edited on 07-04-2011 by A2H GO]

Ben J

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7th Apr 11 at 14:34

quote:
Originally posted by 3CorsaMeal

quote:
Originally posted by whitter45

quote:
Originally posted by 3CorsaMeal

quote:
Originally posted by whitter45

quote:
Originally posted by 3CorsaMeal
diesels weigh more and don't handle as well

just because the engine is heavier does not mean it doesn't handle as well

On that basis your rad must not handle that well with a big lump up front

you talk shit

i have a shorter wheel base and wider track to compensate

Rado's dont even handle that well

you talk worst shit, you just make up lies

[Edited on 07-04-2011 by 3CorsaMeal]

They don't handle well compared to modern cars.

3CorsaMeal

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7th Apr 11 at 14:34

quote:
Originally posted by whitter45

quote:
Originally posted by adiohead

quote:
Originally posted by whitter45
And for all those saying they can get high MPG from petrols that is when they are driving like grannys which surely defeats your argument of saying petrols are more entertaining to drive

but the petrol can still be fun when you want it.

The diesel is pretty much linear, like a straight line, like the only way they should point.

so can a derv be fun just becaus eit revs 1.5k lower doesnt mean it less fun

My TT used to tail off after 5.5k

Thats the trouble with people in turbo cars, they think they are going much faster than they are, really they are just on and off the boost because it feels like a novelty

didn't realise the TT's weren't faster than a corrado

http://www.parkers.co.uk/cars/specs/summary.aspx?model=47

Ben J

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7th Apr 11 at 14:35

quote:
Originally posted by A2H GO

quote:
Originally posted by whitter45

quote:
Originally posted by A2H GO

quote:
Originally posted by djgritt

quote:
Originally posted by A2H GO
Maybe I should have said the petrol tends to be the pinacle of the range with the best diesel variants tending to have a poorer spec in terms of body styling/interior. Making it a harder choice for car enthuaists who want the top spec with the economy of a diesel.

The Mazda 6 2.2 DIESEL Sport I have was, and still is, their top of the range offering for that model...

It's a 2.2 TDi with a factory output of 185PS - Their highest output petrol is a 2.5 with 170PS.

They look identical, apart from the Diesel has an Intercooler in one of the bumper side vents, and they both come with the same heavily loaded standard-fit Equipment list.

Similarly, the Octavia vRS - yes, the Petrol in this case is more powerful etc, but to look at and equipment wise, the TDi version is identical. With the same options list... And again with the current Leon FR.

I agree that some manufacturers are cottening onto the fact that people want the performance/looks of a high end petrol with the economy of the diesel engine, Seat Leon FR is an example of this, same as the BMW 1 Series M-Sport. One has a nasty interior and the other is too expensive.

[Edited on 07-04-2011 by A2H GO]

most car manufactuerers offer the car in derv and petrol for the sam etrim

MSPORT is available in both
Sline in both
Benz sport in both
Vauxhall SRI in both
the list goes on

The fact is most days you cant tell the difference between a petrol and a derv if it is not labelled on the boot

My point wasn't that a petrol equivilent of the diesel is offered, it was more the fact that not all manufacturers offer a diesel equivilent of the top spec petrol.

Yes you can get a diesel A3,Golf,Astra but none of them look as good exterior/interior wise as the VXR, GTi, Audi S/RS versions.

Ie. If Vaux but the 1.9 CDTi engine in a VXR and called it a VXD id buy it. Same goes for VW and Audi, they won't though as it detracts from the 'performance' nature of the petrol.

Yeah but the other petrol versions also look shit in comparison to the VXR/GTI/RS versions???

3CorsaMeal

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7th Apr 11 at 14:38

how come ferrari, lambo etc don't make diesel sports cars?

Audi, Bmw etc are all doing them to cater for those who don't care for driving too much, if one of these people walked into ferrari and asked if they did the enzo in a diesel i reckon they would get laughed away

A2H GO

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7th Apr 11 at 14:39

quote:

Yes you can get a diesel A3,Golf,Astra but none of them look as good exterior/interior wise as the VXR, GTi, Audi S/RS versions.

Ie. If Vaux but the 1.9 CDTi engine in a VXR and called it a VXD id buy it. Same goes for VW and Audi, they won't though as it detracts from the 'performance' nature of the petrol.

Yeah but the other petrol versions also look shit in comparison to the VXR/GTI/RS versions???

Ill try and simplify this as much as possible.

The majority of top spec cars offered are petrol. In most cases if you want a diesel, you have to sacrifice looks and spec for economy.

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7th Apr 11 at 14:40

Can i just remind you of Xa0s vrs.

I am sure it is more fun than petrol VRs that had same mods done.

[Edited on 07-04-2011 by daymoon]

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7th Apr 11 at 14:42

quote:
Originally posted by whitter45
just because the engine is heavier does not mean it doesn't handle as well

Physics disagrees

if you replace the engine any car with a heavier one it will always handle worse.

and the Corrado was one of the best handling fwd cars of the early 90s.

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7th Apr 11 at 14:43

quote:
Originally posted by Adam_B

quote:
Originally posted by whitter45
just because the engine is heavier does not mean it doesn't handle as well

Physics disagrees if you replace the engine any car with a heavier one it will always handle worse.

and the Corrado was one of the best handling fwd cars of the early 90s.

i am sure there are suspension differences

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