JonnyJ
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As for Kimi, are we talking about the same Kimi who is sat 88 points behind his team mate this season? Ok.
Alonso I'll give you. I think hes the best in the sport at the minute. Very rarely fails to impress me.
The same Kimi who beat Hamilton in the 2007 title race 
Mclaren won that title for him  Fucking set of shambles they are.
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JonnyJ
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Something that could be entered into the fray here, which IMO is often overlooked and is as relavent to Kimi's lack of performance as well as Lewis' "bad luck"
Garage is split into two, each driver having their own "team". It is clear that Alonso/Nico have the better selection in both teams.
F1 is a team race, not just the driver...
Cant comment too much on Kimis situation (though he does seem to have had more than his fair share of issues in comparison to Alonso) but i will defend Lewis' side of the garage here.
Australia was a small split in a piece of rubber pipe that caused his misfire. Hard to pin that on the team, especially if it split whilst the car was out, which i assume it must have done otherwise they'd have spotted the misfire on his installation lap.
Canada the fault happened on both cars. The team managed it in the same way for both but Lewis suffered more because he was running in hot air, the pit stop did it for him and his car went first, meaning they knew how they had to manage in on Nico's car. Just unfortunate and certainly not the fault of one side of the garage
Germany was a brake failure, they dont make the brakes and again it was just unfortunate the set that went on Lewis' car failed.
Hungary seems to be the only one that was preventable. Sounds like a mechanic hadn't fitted something right as the team have been very vocal in that they let Lewis down.
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Originally posted by whitter45The request was wrong, but Hamilton did not comply with the request and the team have said no actions will be taken towards hamilton because of that - even if they have reviewed it after the race and said it was the wrong call. at the time they thought it was right but he didn't bother.
Its very much the vettel story in which Hamilton will start to think he is above the team and make his own decisions
He needs managing better IMO
Showed up the Mercedes management IMHO as been very weak. I was thinking exactly the same as Brundle, in that would he have ignored the words of Ross Brawn? I think not.
He seem's to expect the team to get behind him and pamper to his every whim and then pulls a twattish trick like that when given a instruction by the management. Id be slashing all his fuel lines for the rest of the season. Also for team spirit in Merc will now be pretty much non existent.
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Someone i wouldnt have called weak was Niki Lauda, who says Lewis was right to do what he did, as does nearly every respected F1 journalist, including Brundle.
Unlucky Rick, keep crying over Mclaren and their wanky weather radars
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Lauda is comedy gold, told Mattiachi the F14-T was "Shit"
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F1 needs more people like Lauda. Fucking love the guy, i imagine he'd be great to have a pint with, probably end up in a scrap later on in the night though
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Rick Draper
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Someone i wouldnt have called weak was Niki Lauda, who says Lewis was right to do what he did, as does nearly every respected F1 journalist, including Brundle.
Unlucky Rick, keep crying over Mclaren and their wanky weather radars
Lauda is just a mouthpiece. Has nothing to do with the running of the team on race day iirc and his only real noteworthy story of recent times is coming out with cuntish comments about another teams car, he has become nothing more than a laughing stock.
Wolff saying his piece:
http://www.crash.net/f1/news/207158/1/hamilton-cost-rosberg-win-chance-wolff.html
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JonnyJ
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Yep, well said Toto
"we cannot ask either driver to give up positions or jeopardise their own championship chances for the benefit of the team."
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And nowhere in that piece did he say Hamilton was in the wrong? - if anything he was backing Lewis, as JJ has just said
[Edited on 28-07-2014 by Cavey]
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Jambo
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Especially when they have been so audible on the "No team orders front, we want them to race" all season.
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Rob_Quads
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exactly. He said the same after the race in Teds interview. Did it hold him up and cost him yes..... could you expect hamilton to loose places to let Rosberg win...not really no
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like I have said, I think Hamilton was in his rights to remain in position but the TEAM asked him to let him through
So its expected now that Hamilton can disregard team orders and do what he wants
Not good for Merc or even Hamilton as you never know when the tables are reversed and he needs assistance from his team mate
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like I have said, I think Hamilton was in his rights to remain in position but the TEAM asked him to let him through
So its expected now that Hamilton can disregard team orders and do what he wants
Not good for Merc or even Hamilton as you never know when the tables are reversed and he needs assistance from his team mate
Mercedes don't do team orders in that way and they have been very public about this in the past (which is why this was such a screw-up by them).
The only time they have done it in the past is when they have told both drivers the same i.e. limit your engine and don't challenge each other. Thats a very different order to "Let your biggest challenger in the championship through so he can beat you".
I don't think Hamilton would expect to be let through by Rosberg. Certainly won't happen this season.
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Did Hamilton not say after the message something along the lines of "tell him to catch up then"? This indicated to me that he would have let him through if he was all over him which he wasn't.
Rosberg should have thrown it up the inside and if he took both of them out so be it. Senna/Prost style.
[Edited on 28-07-2014 by Scotty_B]
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Yup - Hamilton said if he is right behind him he would let him go which is fair enough. If he catches up I will let him go but I am not going to lose seconds dropping back to let him through (which is fair enough).
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Yep, well said Toto
"we cannot ask either driver to give up positions or jeopardise their own championship chances for the benefit of the team."
Weak management then right there.
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Yep, well said Toto
"we cannot ask either driver to give up positions or jeopardise their own championship chances for the benefit of the team."
Weak management then right there.
Not really...because it would be a TOTALLY different message from the managers if there was another team anywhere close to Merc in the constructors championship (which, of course...is where the money is).
If Red Bull were too close for comfort in the constructors fight i think we'd have heard a Ross Brawn style order to let whichever driver pass the other.
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Di Montezemolo leaves Ferrari, about time tbh, dinosaur. Still, a bit of a shock.
The cross eyed one will also officially quit McLaren.
Source is Scarbs.
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Did he 
Wtf!!! I didn't see the news and I'm on the press list FFS
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Jambo
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He's denied it
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JonnyJ
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He's denied it
Bad news for Ferrari. They need rid of him
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Jambo
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I would agree, hes had a fair stint.
Although he was taken on by Enzo IIRC, and him leaving would be sad for Ferrari as thats another link gone. But I guess time change and things is inevitable.
Time for fresh blood perhaps
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Report on the BBC saying JEV is being let go at the end of the season and being replaced by Max Verstappen...who's only 16 at the moment
MX5 Project Thread
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By all accounts he's a bit of a superstar. Must have something about him to be fast tracked to F1. Driving an F1 car at 17, that is insane. Certainly better than the 1.2 8v Corsa I was driving at 17
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Imagine his insurance though
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