Daimo B
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I agree with Mr DaSilver. Labour are about supporting the familes "who are in need"
hence why the chav culture, with children having children, im right your wrong, PC happy culture. Welcome to labour.
I actually agree with cosmo in a way too. Company chairmans who have built up a business, are already paying tax on all their employee wages etc..
I think it should be a cutoff, i.e company turns over £5mill or more, and has to pay x% amount of tax on anything over.. just like peoples wages.
End of the day though, we're taxed on our wages, taxed on the things we buy, hell we're even taxed when we die, so we're all screwed all our lives anyway.
I haven't got a solution for the problem, but then im not paid £100+k per year like Mr Darling to sort it all out.
Cosmo, see, at least we discuss, chat, flamed, debate, and its factual.....
and not jsut me sitting here calling you a Prick..... Its been a good natter when someone else or two dissapeared with un-neccesary comments (hence heating the debate then bailing like pussies  )
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Daimo B
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Originally posted by Dom
ie: Sitting at work, keyboard bashing on the CorsaSport forum 
I aint bashing out over my keyboard unless theres some proper good porn on the screen or some hot real lady co-incidently bent over my PC desk...
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Dom
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Originally posted by VXR
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Originally posted by Dom
ie: Sitting at work, keyboard bashing on the CorsaSport forum
I aint bashing out over my keyboard unless theres some proper good porn on the screen or some hot real lady co-incidently bent over my PC desk...
was talking about being a keyboard warrior, but yeah nice one 
[Edited on 22-04-2009 by Dom]
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Daimo B
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I know, I was trying to lighten the post a little 
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Danny P
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Does it cost anymore for binmen to empty a rich persons bin than it does a average person? = No
Does it cost more for a police man to investigate a crime against a rich person than an average person? = No
Taxes pay for shit like the above, so is it fair that somone who earns £100k a year pay more for these services than someone who earns £15k? It isn't really is it.
Its like saying if you earn £15k a year you have to pay 17% tax on everything you buy, but someone who earns £5k pays 5% tax, and therfore gets things cheaper? Would you (anyone who thinks the tax rise is fair) be happy with that? I doubt it. Its essentially the same thing is it not?
[Edited on 22-04-2009 by Danny P]
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All Torque
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Come May all you guys will vote Labour again anyways....
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Cosmo
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Also on that point Danny, I bet most people earning £100k+ will have private health care, private education for their kids, etc. etc. so they are actually using up less resources that their tax should pay for.
So I think the rich should pay a lower % of tax.
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Danny P
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Originally posted by Cosmo
So I think the rich should pay a lower % of tax.
Thats only because you are rich
I get pissed off by people that think folk who happen to earn a lot of money should pay more into the Country. All it will go towards is supporting more dole scum who will be happy to sit doing fuck all while complaining about the state of the country 
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CORSA NUT
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lol even before reading this i knew Daimo would get his ore in 
Typical long winded, winding up responces.Other people are aloud opinions Daimo.Oh and don't bother wasting your time trying to wind me up as i won't bite this time.
My opinion? We should just wipe the whole debt slate clean all over the word so everyone can build a powerfull economy again and we ALL get taxed the same no matter what we earn,Why the fuck should we punish people for having balls to make somthing out of themselves instead of working at fuking Asda all there lives and moaning about how life 'Never gave them a break'! G.T.F
[Edited on 22-04-2009 by CORSA NUT]
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BluKoo
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50% on over £150k is far too much. I know of a few people who won't be too pleased with that. Shame i'm not one of them though
They should have a separate tax for footballers who earn over £50k a week instead.
[Edited on 22-04-2009 by BluKoo]
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Daimo B
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Originally posted by CORSA NUT
lol even before reading this i knew Daimo would get his ore in
Typical long winded, winding up responces.Other people are aloud opinions Daimo.
As u've replied directly about me, i shall return a direct reply.
I'd suggest reading the posts instead of making a sweeping statement and read what i've said about this subject already. Of course other opinions are valied in fact, i aint going there, if you don't read the comments about the subject (not the budget) then i can't help your opinion on me (nice to see im the first part of your response though, makes me feel all wanted). Not that that assed
Whilst it would be great to void all debt across the world (iv'e said this before on another post discussion, Cosmo should be able to reply about the details of why this is not possible), it simply won't happen. Debt is there, it has to be paid. The people that pay it are the british nation, call it a debt on our behalf by the government. The only way to recover the money for this debt, is to charge the public. You can't just "raise" all prices, the public will all go into debt ourselves, and we'll loose all economic strength in the world. How should they go about raising the finances? Increase fuel tax by another 50%? Increase VAT to 20%? Think about what amount you pay in tax, and VAT etc on all items. You simply cannot do it. The only real way to recover the money is by increasing costs slightly, but not enough to really kill the publics finances. The only people with real available spare money, are those earning a lot more. So Darlings increased taxes on these people to help the entire country to get back on the financial ladder. Anyone who knows differently and is in the know who cares to debate this is fine, if im mistaken, i'd actually really like to know. This is my take on it though??? Anyone else?
Danny, although what your saying is correct, the government runs the country. Taxes have always been here, pre medieval, so like it or lump it, people earning a larger amount have always paid more tax. (even £40k earners pay more tax than a £30k earner once you've reached the thresh-hold). Whilst im sure those earning loads arn't happy, would you be happy if they took your (25+2% nat ins) and turned that into 50%?
Take your wage, and cut it in half.... Could you possibly live? Imagine those "majority" public who relay on that.
More money means more leaway, i fully get it could really hurt some larger earners with big mortgages... But if your living in a 100k house with 3 bed, 2 children... Or a 800k, 6 bed, 2 children house, who will be far worse off?
[Edited on 22-04-2009 by VXR]
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Shell
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I like to avoid this type of thing, it makes my head boggle!
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Cosmo
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Originally posted by VXR
Whilst it would be great to void all debt across the world (iv'e said this before on another post discussion, Cosmo should be able to reply about the details of why this is not possible), it simply won't happen.
Christ Im not going there again.
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Boycey
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Originally posted by Danny P
Does it cost anymore for binmen to empty a rich persons bin than it does a average person? = No
Does it cost more for a police man to investigate a crime against a rich person than an average person? = No
Taxes pay for shit like the above, so is it fair that somone who earns £100k a year pay more for these services than someone who earns £15k? It isn't really is it.
Its like saying if you earn £15k a year you have to pay 17% tax on everything you buy, but someone who earns £5k pays 5% tax, and therfore gets things cheaper? Would you (anyone who thinks the tax rise is fair) be happy with that? I doubt it. Its essentially the same thing is it not?
[Edited on 22-04-2009 by Danny P]
Its not the same thing at all mate!
And Cosmo, I didn't know that you were a little daddys boy! Maybe thats why you have these ludicrous views! Daddy give you money when you need it? Daddy give you a job? Maybe thats why you don't like the rich getting taxed more, bacause then daddy may not have as much money to give to his nice wee spoilt brat of a son! Thats right spoilt brat!
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Boycey You're going to town with this eh!
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Cosmo
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Originally posted by Boycey
And Cosmo, I didn't know that you were a little daddys boy! Maybe thats why you have these ludicrous views! Daddy give you money when you need it? Daddy give you a job? Maybe thats why you don't like the rich getting taxed more, bacause then daddy may not have as much money to give to his nice wee spoilt brat of a son! Thats right spoilt brat!
Yup, gives me lots of money.
Nice fancy apartment paid for in cash. Nice trust fund to call on when I want another house. Millions in jewels and cash in my indoor swimming pool I go swimming in daily.
You really think you going on about me being rich bothers me? You really think someone who knows nothing about me telling me Im a spoilt brat, thats right a spoilt brat, bothers me?
Maybe you are so bitter as you're so poor. Fucking pikey commoner.
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Danny P
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Originally posted by Boycey
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Originally posted by Danny P
Does it cost anymore for binmen to empty a rich persons bin than it does a average person? = No
Does it cost more for a police man to investigate a crime against a rich person than an average person? = No
Taxes pay for shit like the above, so is it fair that somone who earns £100k a year pay more for these services than someone who earns £15k? It isn't really is it.
Its like saying if you earn £15k a year you have to pay 17% tax on everything you buy, but someone who earns £5k pays 5% tax, and therfore gets things cheaper? Would you (anyone who thinks the tax rise is fair) be happy with that? I doubt it. Its essentially the same thing is it not?
[Edited on 22-04-2009 by Danny P]
Its not the same thing at all mate!
Why is not?
People who earn different amounts of money getting taxed a different amount, seems exactly the same to me.
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Cosmo
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Its not the same as he'd have to admit that he isnt in favour of that and that would make his other views ridiculous.
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Ryan
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Fucking LOL at all the people with rich family saying its unfair.
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Butler
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Same reason people like jim clark became tax exiles in the 60s, its ridiculous. People who earn that much, good on them, for a high percentage of those people if you earn it you deserve every penny.
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Cosmo
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Originally posted by RYAN89
Fucking LOL at all the people with rich family saying its unfair.
My opinion has nothing to do with that, mainly because we've things in place to get around a lot of the tax - my opinion is purely based on a 'fair' society and basic economics.
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There's never a win / win solution sadly, whilst some people earn lot's of cash why should they pay more? they have probably started from the bottom and worked their way up to the top so fair play to them! On the other hand you have someone who has never made anything of their life so they are jealous of the fact the guy over the road who pulled his finger out and has a new car / better house so that means he "should" pay more!?
Whilst yes the poor are in need of help, there should be more done to analyse/monitor what people at the bottom are actually doing with their lives and if they can do more instead of being on the dole and spending all their cash on drugs / booze (shameless springs to mind)
And to top this immigrants are pouring in and reaking the benefits sending most of the cash back to Poland or wherever they immigrated from
they need to be more strict - reduce the amount of people coming into the country who have nothing to offer and find jobs for people who are un-skilled or unemployed (this county is a mess, there is plenty of things to sort out - even if that means more people being employed into the council to work on the fooking roads)
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Ryan
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It wasnt aimed at you (cosmo). But then again people who are saying its fair are only doing so because they dont and will never earn that much money.
Thats just the way that these debates always go.
Like everybody bitching about footballers and earning mega bucks. But if you were one of the top players in the world, would they turn the money down?... nope didnt think so.
[Edited on 22-04-2009 by RYAN89]
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Colin
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Originally posted by J da Silva
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It seems you get punished for bettering yourself with this Labour party.
How many of us are going to be able to better ourselves to the point where we earn 150k a year?
Any body earning that is either extremely talented, extremely immoral, extremely criminal or from an extremely rich back ground imo. No one needs that sort of money when there are people dying of starvation in the world.
Your going too deep into the comment I made, where is the insentive now to climb the ladder wherever you work? Or take a well paid job that you feel you have deserved?
I'm not going to allow some zig and zag leadership take a big slice of my pie just because they balls'ed up by bailing the car game out, when there was no need, I'd sooner my family have the money their Dad earned than give it to Brown, even if that would mean me moving back home and laying 63 UK workers off.
Exactly!! Theres no reward for trying to make something of yourself!!
In the sector I work in an installation manager (working shifts, overseeing day to day operations etc) will earn £100k+. In order to get there you'll need to be very good in your field, dedicated, hard working, take on a lot of responsibility & be well educated.
It makes you think, if your going to be made pay so much in tax................why bother take all that on.
Everyone might aswell give up trying to 'live the dream' as such, go on the dole, get some lass pupped over & over, 11x child support claims, big massive council house, 60k tax free in benifits a year thank you please goodnight!!
Whats the problem with wanting to achieve & make money. 50% tax over 100k sickens me, 40% tax over 36k makes me livid!!
Why bother!!
[Edited on 22-04-2009 by Colin]
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Cosmo
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I wonder if the people who are saying it is fair would change their mind should they (somehow) get a job that is paying them £150k a year?
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