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Nic Barnes
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16th Mar 14 at 16:31   View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote
huh?
Ojc
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Nic Barnes is a lovely twat
3CorsaMeal
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Nic is like king spammer these days, got a BMW and now thinks he is Sir Alan Sugar.
flybikeslee
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17th Mar 14 at 13:04   View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote
Mate has a blue one of these



loves the track,not as quick as the s2000 mind and his box was dead at 30k...



Recaros are best bit

taylorboosh
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What springs - that sits perfect
mwg
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looks 20-30mm too low
DannyB
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Far too low. It looks silly
3CorsaMeal
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Why does it have fridge freezer door handles on it?
Steve
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do people not realise they are probably making it handle worse doing that
flybikeslee
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its on coilovers
tom130691
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quote:
Originally posted by flybikeslee
its on coilovers


doesnt mean its better
pow
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Does too
Steve
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Manufacturers spend millions designing cars to be as optimal as possible, especially the performance models. Wishbone angles, cv joints, steering track etc will all be designed to work best at certain angles, that will be in and around to the standard setup.

When people lower their cars stupid amounts they fuck this all up sending all the geo out to all sorts of weird angles out of spec.

If you are just doing it for look (although I thin kthat looks too low anyway) then fine, that's pretty much what I did to the mini. I realise its probably impacted the handling a bit
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didnt you lower your race puma for better handling steve?
Simon_16v
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My brothers racing blue 197







[Edited on 17-03-2014 by Simon_16v]
R Lee
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I believe manufacturers design and engineer cars to handle and perform for mostly road conditions.
They have to compromise otherwise ride will suffer too much. Derrrrr

BMW, yeah
flybikeslee
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i was responding to the original question of what springs was it on.
Robin
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Ride height on a road car is dictated be a lot of things Steve. Handling is one of them but it'll always be a compromise.

Compare a standard Clio 197 with a Cup Racer, thrn tell me lower isn't better for handling.

They run standard bottom arms, standard strut towers, standard knuckles etc but they are a lot lower than the standard car.
flybikeslee
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he's right yanno
Steve
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You have a margin of adjustment, eg the CV joints, inner should be no more than 18 degrees out of spec, the outer 45 degrees on the Fiesta/Puma chassis

Wishbones also have an optimal operating range.

Race cars and the like run modified wishbones, top mounts etc to allow more adjustment.

Doing to much to the standard kit will make it worse.




[Edited on 17-03-2014 by Steve]
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Looks like they have had a lot of offs though, the cars are fucked, probably because they lowered them and ruined the handling so every corner they spin off.
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The cup car geo will be miles away from the road car

This is why I like Kyle T's project thread,

he has taken in to account the roll centres and general geo of the car, most people dont understand it
Robin
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quote:
Originally posted by Steve
You have a margin of adjustment, eg the CV joints, inner should be no more than 18 degrees out of spec, the outer 45 degrees on the Fiesta/Puma chassis

Wishbones also have an optimal operating range.

Race cars and the like run modified wishbones, top mounts etc to allow more adjustment.

Doing to much to the standard kit will make it worse.




[Edited on 17-03-2014 by Steve]


The clios use standard wishbones, standard pick up points (with fixed, solid, top mounts), standard hubs, strengthened knuckles (standard mountings though). The only difference is the bottom ball joint.
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quote:
Originally posted by Simon_16v
My brothers racing blue 197









That's really fucking nice, sits perfect too
taylorboosh
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Does sit well - whats that on? I dont want coilovers as i tend to wind them down to the lowest then leave them

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