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United to win by 3 goals and united to qualify in 90 mins...yezzzzir
Noice. I doubled up United to qualify with a Dortmund win   - Never bet on a team that's already through
Mate of mine lost out on the same game. Mine were single bets so I only walked out with about £80 profit. Better than a kick in the nuts I guess!
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Nic Barnes
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Dc90 (don't know real name) would you prefer to have lost and got rid of moyes? Or do you back him at least until mid way through next season see where he takes the club?
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Marc
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I'd rather have won and reachered the quarter finals. Then potentially put a run together in the league and limit the damage that the useless idiots have done so far this season.
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mwg
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Nice
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Steve
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I think last night showed there is nothing wrong with the tools, and that when not throwing caution to the wind, albeit was forced too, that we are a more typical united performance. Let's hope Moyes now pushes on and tries more expansive football rather than a cautious stifling game.
[Edited on 20-03-2014 by Steve]
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mwg
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It was an all or nothing situation last night, he didn't have a lot of choice. He should of had them playing more like that previously. They obviously have it in them
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Robbo
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You lot got incredibly lucky last night  going to be quite amusing to see you get pumped in the qtr finals!
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Steve
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Oh well, due some luck with all the stupid deflected goals that have ended up in the net this season
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Hammer
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Originally posted by Steve
I think last night showed there is nothing wrong with the tools, and that when not throwing caution to the wind, albeit was forced too, that we are a more typical united performance. Let's hope Moyes now pushes on and tries more expansive football rather than a cautious stifling game.
[Edited on 20-03-2014 by Steve]
Any proper United fan i.e. not you, who thinks because United beat Olympiakos 3 nil that the playing staff are of an acceptable standard then they are deluded. It is nothing to do with tactics or playing style, the squad is simply not good enough and he needs a few transfer windows to resolve that.
That wasn't 'throwing caution to the wind' either, the difference was introducing Giggs at centre mid which meant there was more movement up front because they knew someone was going to try and find them with a killer pass - which he did time and time again.
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We need better players long term but I still go back to he is not getting the best out of the players he currently has. Last night was about the first time the team looked ok so they obviously do have some half decent performances in them
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Marc
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On paper we have half a really good team and the other average players should be enough to fill the gaps. In previous years our star players have carried the lesser skilled players somewhat but there are cracks appearing now. Which goes back to a previous poster saying teams are sussing us out.
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Eye eye
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Hammer
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On paper we have half a really good team and the other average players should be enough to fill the gaps. In previous years our star players have carried the lesser skilled players somewhat but there are cracks appearing now. Which goes back to a previous poster saying teams are sussing us out.
No team with the aspirations United have (Chelsea, City, Barcelona, Munich, Madrid) fill gaps in their squad with average players never mind their first team.
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Its all very well having big players, but unless you couple them with the right manager they will still under achieve, City have under achieved, Chelsea have too to a certain degree under some of the (poor) managers they've had in the past few years. Also look at Spurs, loads of expensive players yet not playing to their ability.
On the flipside a team of average players mixed with a few good, playing right with the right mindset and the right manager eg United under fergie, can have more success.
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Dc90 (don't know real name) would you prefer to have lost and got rid of moyes? Or do you back him at least until mid way through next season see where he takes the club?
Dale  no way would I have preferred to have lost. Last night gave a glimpse of what Moyes can do. He showed he is capable of playing positive, attacking football when we need to. If he can build on this I am absolutely happy with him being in charge next year. What we don't need is to go backwards yet again.
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Yes, lets hope it remains a positive style!
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Robbo
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you spent most of the game (poorly) defending the constant (inept) Olympiakos attacks whislt shitting yourselves. 2 goals came diorect from set pieces and the middle one was atrocious defending from Olymp. I wouldnt say it was wholely positive tbph... as moyes himself said afterwards, itll mean jack shit if you dont use it as a platform for consistency.
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itll mean jack shit if you dont use it as a platform for consistency.
This.
Come on Europa League qualification.
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There was a 20 min period in the 2nd half which was like this, and I did think Moyes shouldn't be letting the team drop so deep. He did seem to go into cautious mode again when remaining on the front foot like they were in the first half would have been better, but other than that I would say it was fairly positive, and pretty routine win for united, if we didn't need 3 goals that would have been an easy night!
[Edited on 20-03-2014 by Steve]
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mwg
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I think most, if not all of the 7 other teams in the quarter finals would like to be drawn against us
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Cavey
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you spent most of the game (poorly) defending the constant (inept) Olympiakos attacks whislt shitting yourselves. 2 goals came diorect from set pieces and the middle one was atrocious defending from Olymp. I wouldnt say it was wholely positive tbph... as moyes himself said afterwards, itll mean jack shit if you dont use it as a platform for consistency.
Agree with robbo for once  - United played ok, but could of easily lost that match, the defending was pretty woeful throughout the night, Evra constantly gave the ball away whilst attacking and couldn't be arsed getting back, Rafael was dogshit, "consistent Carrick" couldn't do anything, the passing wasn't anything great, as stupid as it may sound, I thought Van Persie was pretty poor, Giggs and Rooney looked pretty good, but if it wasn't for a world class double save from De Gea, United would be out and all their fans would carry on with the Moyes out campaign and going on about how shit they were again
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mwg
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That will all start again after the next couple of games
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Hammer
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Its all very well having big players, but unless you couple them with the right manager they will still under achieve, City have under achieved, Chelsea have too to a certain degree under some of the (poor) managers they've had in the past few years. Also look at Spurs, loads of expensive players yet not playing to their ability.
On the flipside a team of average players mixed with a few good, playing right with the right mindset and the right manager eg United under fergie, can have more success.
Thanks for the footballing lesson Maradona
United are no longer managed by SAF and unfortunately managers of his ilk do not exist so they will have to go down the more conventional route of buying the best players and dealing with tactics, man management and playing style thereafter.
Man United, with their current squad, are not far off where they should be in the league - they do not have the squad capable of challenging for the title....yet.
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you spent most of the game (poorly) defending the constant (inept) Olympiakos attacks whislt shitting yourselves. 2 goals came diorect from set pieces and the middle one was atrocious defending from Olymp. I wouldnt say it was wholely positive tbph... as moyes himself said afterwards, itll mean jack shit if you dont use it as a platform for consistency.
Agree with robbo for once - United played ok, but could of easily lost that match, the defending was pretty woeful throughout the night, Evra constantly gave the ball away whilst attacking and couldn't be arsed getting back, Rafael was dogshit, "consistent Carrick" couldn't do anything, the passing wasn't anything great, as stupid as it may sound, I thought Van Persie was pretty poor, Giggs and Rooney looked pretty good, but if it wasn't for a world class double save from De Gea, United would be out and all their fans would carry on with the Moyes out campaign and going on about how shit they were again
You're focusing on every deficiency yet overlooking the fact RVP scored a hat trick, Rooney covered every blade of grass and Giggs was absolutely majestic in centre mid. Valencia and Wellbeck both played well as well.
United needed a 3 nil win and got it, the majority of folk would have said that was impossible after the weekend. It was a good performance and Moyes deserves a portion of the praise for it.
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The "quality" players at United are all ageing, Vidic, Ferdinand, Evra, Giggs, Carrick, RVP. - Fergie knew this, knew he'd done all he could with the players he had, and he got out at the right time, he also knew that a transitional period was required as the younger players aren't good enough (This is not attacking him at all)
The players coming through, either aren't good enough, or aren't stepping up to the challenge. I personally think Jones and Smalling will come good if they get a run of games, and they can take the pressure, I also think Buttner has looked pretty good, I hate Rafael as he's a cunt, however, whether they get time to settle as a unit is unlikely.
Infront of that you have Mata, Kagawa, Rooney, Van Persie, Hernandez. Then it'd be a case of fitting in a defensive midfielder, and picking which of those, and an additional player or two would work well together - NICK POWELL.
Cleverley, Wellbeck, and most others you can mention just aren't good enough for a title challenging team
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