Paul_J
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Dan
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Just been and purchased some food ready for tomorrow.
12 tins of tuna
4 tubs of spices (tandoori, cajun, tikka and tex-mex) for spicing up my chicken
4 packs of brown rice
4ltrs of bottle water (for whilst in the gym)
3kgs of chicken breasts
Looking forward to a fresh start. Really hoping to cut that bodyfat.
My diet, should you wish to constructivly critisise, fire away, because its only draft.
Breakfast
50g porridge
1 tsp honey
1 1/2 scoop shake
Glass orange juice
Vitamin tablets
3 thermopure tabs on training days (if not 1 with breakfast-dinner-tea)
TRAIN
Consume 1 litre of water
Post workout
1 1/2 scoop shake with 1 scoop of 50/50 mixed maltodextrin and dextrose
300ml semi skimmed milk
Dinner
250g chicken breast marinated with spices with wholemeal rice
Muller light yoghurt
Piece of fruit
Afternoon Snack
1 tin tuna with 2 slices brown bread, small helping of salad cream of low fat mayo
Piece of fruit
Tea
250g chicken breast marinated with spices with wholemeal rice
Muller light yoghurt
Piece of fruit
Before Bed
Unsure yet, as dont wanna use casien and dont like cottage cheese, maybe just glass of milk (from what i recall milk protein is high in casien? or something like that)
Training will be:
Mon-Back and biceps (PULL)
Tues - HIT skipping (1min - 30s)
Weds - Chest, shoulders Tris (PUSH)
Thurs - HIT cycling (1min - 30s)
Fri - Legs
Sat - REST
Sun - REST
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DizzyRebel
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Thats a bulking diet, not a cutting diet...
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Dan
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Bulking? Thats hardly any food :/
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Dan
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breakfast - 350cals
PWO - 300cals
Dinner - 600cals
Afternoon - 310cals
Tea - 600cals
Thats 2100 cals.. THats not exactly bulking cals is it :/
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DizzyRebel
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not all calories are created equal.
far too many carbs in there. If you're cutting, then you have your pwo carbs and thats it.
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Dan
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I need more energy, ill be working till 10pm each day.
Its similar to what i started on, and lost 2 stone nearly, so ill stick with it for a few weeks
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Use fats for energy then, the idea is you make your body burn off stored fat for energy... instead of using ingested food for energy.
Once your body gets used to the initial cut in calorie intake it will slow or halt fat loss, your next step is sack off the carbs and use fats instead.
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quote: Originally posted by DizzyRebel
Use fats for energy then, the idea is you make your body burn off stored fat for energy... instead of using ingested food for energy.
Once your body gets used to the initial cut in calorie intake it will slow or halt fat loss, your next step is sack off the carbs and use fats instead.
If he is in a negative calorie defeicit then he will be. 2100 kcals isn't a lot. His BMR plus the calories burned from everyday struff and the training he's doing will be using more than that.
If it works do it, i'd keep the carbs, chances are you'll just feel shit and not be able to train as hard without them. I smash carbs down my neck morning noon and night, the way dizzy talks about them you'd think I'd be 20 stone.
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DizzyRebel
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So if eat 2100 cals a day of chocolate i'll burn fat will i?
Have you learned nothing from what i have posted in the past? Understand carbs are broken into glycogen, and if they are not used immediately for energy or repair, they will be stored as fat.
Dietary fats on the other hand, cannot be made by the body, they are seldom stored as body fat and are a slower burning source of energy, not to mention providing numerous health benefits.
Switch to dietary fats instead of carbs and keep your carbs to peri workout only whilst on a cut (the way just about every athlete does it) and you will burn fat faster.
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quote: Originally posted by DizzyRebel
So if eat 2100 cals a day of chocolate i'll burn fat will i?
Have you learned nothing from what i have posted in the past? Understand carbs are broken into glycogen, and if they are not used immediately for energy or repair, they will be stored as fat.
Dietary fats on the other hand, cannot be made by the body, they are seldom stored as body fat and are a slower burning source of energy, not to mention providing numerous health benefits.
Switch to dietary fats instead of carbs and keep your carbs to peri workout only whilst on a cut (the way just about every athlete does it) and you will burn fat faster.
I'm not saying you are wrong, i'm saying you hate on carbs WAY too much. I can't train or play anywhere near 100% without carbs, I dare say i'm not on my own, amybe it's different for those specifically weightlifting but he mentioned HIIT . And as long as he has a defiecit the extra carbs he is having to what you are saying will hardly make any difference at all.
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Laney
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quote: Originally posted by Carl
I can't train or play anywhere near 100% without carbs, I dare say i'm not on my own
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Gay pose alert
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Dan
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/\ ooooo Poser!
I gotta say, i think you do hate on carbs alot dizzy. Ive been reading loads of forum posts about people cutting, and advice from the senior members on some of the sites i use. They all say you still need carbs in your diet, some say 40% carbs - 40% protien - 20% fat.
Others however say 25%-25%-50%
So it seems to me, its very much down to the individual. Im gonna stick with my diet for a while, see how it goes.
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I'll be starting the first session of p90x at 7:30pm, will report back later.
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DizzyRebel
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quote: Originally posted by Dan
/\ ooooo Poser!
I gotta say, i think you do hate on carbs alot dizzy. Ive been reading loads of forum posts about people cutting, and advice from the senior members on some of the sites i use. They all say you still need carbs in your diet, some say 40% carbs - 40% protien - 20% fat.
Others however say 25%-25%-50%
So it seems to me, its very much down to the individual. Im gonna stick with my diet for a while, see how it goes.
You find senior members are mainly power lifters that look ripped for about 4 weeks of the year the rest of the time they look like over inflated beer barrels.
Bulk and cut is dead, macro cycling IS the way to build lean mass without adding excess fat.
Carbs whilst cutting should be >50g and i dont give a fuck what anyone says, after a week of low carbs and high fat your body gets used to getting energy the way its supposed to, by using up body fat. The human body was never intended to be filled full of processed carbs like rice, pasta, breads and grains etc and consequently carbs lead to fat gain. If you want to cut properly and really attack fat stores, you have zero dairy produce in your diet, zero sugar and less than 50g of carbs daily. Have 70-90g of fat and 300-400g of protein and it will strip fat. Proven to work in labs, on the feild and on thousands of joe publics.
The carbs you are eating are only slowing fat loss, prolonging the cutting phase when it could be spent building new muscle.
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Pop
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Holy shit I feel like death, that was so difficult. It hurts all over.
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Welcome to P90X
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Pop
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It's not a happy place to be. The diamond push ups are brutal.
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Cosmo
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You think tonight is hard then just wait until tomorrow!
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Pop
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... I thought Plyometrics might have been easier
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Cosmo
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Hell no, I personally think its the hardest of all the workouts.
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Roll on tomorrow then, it'll be interesting
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quote: Originally posted by DizzyRebel
quote: Originally posted by Dan
/\ ooooo Poser!
I gotta say, i think you do hate on carbs alot dizzy. Ive been reading loads of forum posts about people cutting, and advice from the senior members on some of the sites i use. They all say you still need carbs in your diet, some say 40% carbs - 40% protien - 20% fat.
Others however say 25%-25%-50%
So it seems to me, its very much down to the individual. Im gonna stick with my diet for a while, see how it goes.
You find senior members are mainly power lifters that look ripped for about 4 weeks of the year the rest of the time they look like over inflated beer barrels.
Bulk and cut is dead, macro cycling IS the way to build lean mass without adding excess fat.
Carbs whilst cutting should be >50g and i dont give a fuck what anyone says, after a week of low carbs and high fat your body gets used to getting energy the way its supposed to, by using up body fat. The human body was never intended to be filled full of processed carbs like rice, pasta, breads and grains etc and consequently carbs lead to fat gain. If you want to cut properly and really attack fat stores, you have zero dairy produce in your diet, zero sugar and less than 50g of carbs daily. Have 70-90g of fat and 300-400g of protein and it will strip fat. Proven to work in labs, on the feild and on thousands of joe publics.
The carbs you are eating are only slowing fat loss, prolonging the cutting phase when it could be spent building new muscle.
how the fuck do u manage to eat 400g of protein a day and cut fat? I am asking that because i find it hard to exceed 250g a day, even eating every couple of hours its pretty hard to hit 300g odd of protein a day.
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Laney
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quote: Originally posted by DizzyRebel
The carbs you are eating are only slowing fat loss, prolonging the cutting phase when it could be spent building new muscle.
Genuine question - what about "athletes" (for want of a better word) who aren't JUST about building muscle but about using them too?
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