Mad Moe
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Bastard should of ordered a little french tin can instead of my CTR I am annoyed at the advice you have given me Robbo shame on you All hail the CTR haters in there wisdom all cars are superior
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Robbo
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Well a cup is a very basic car, quick yes but has specs like a base model car
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Robbo
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BTW, before any1 says a CLio 182 is faster check the specs... CTR 6.6/7 to 60, 146mph 16.5(ish) 0-100, 182 7.1 to 60 139mph and 17.5(ish) to 100 (thats the new type r btw)... wud be good 2 c a race between a 182 an a CTR tho 
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Mad Moe
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I have my new CTR in 9 weeks so I'll have to have a run against a 182
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Robbo
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l33t corsa
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Originally posted by Robbo
We cant help that honda dont make one
For the Japanese market they made & sold stripped out versions of the EK Civic Type R, it was really poorly specced, but then again it was meant for racing. They also sell a stripped out DC5 so I expect there's also a version of the EP Civic in a similar fashion
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Robbo
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vibrio
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Originally posted by Robbo
BTW, before any1 says a CLio 182 is faster check the specs... CTR 6.6/7 to 60, 146mph 16.5(ish) 0-100, 182 7.1 to 60 139mph and 17.5(ish) to 100 (thats the new type r btw)... wud be good 2 c a race between a 182 an a CTR tho
clio 182 quicker round a track than the CTR 
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vibrio
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I actually hate both the clio and the CTR so why am I arguing. neither have turbos so GTF
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Robbo
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quote:
Originally posted by vibrio
quote:
Originally posted by Robbo
BTW, before any1 says a CLio 182 is faster check the specs... CTR 6.6/7 to 60, 146mph 16.5(ish) 0-100, 182 7.1 to 60 139mph and 17.5(ish) to 100 (thats the new type r btw)... wud be good 2 c a race between a 182 an a CTR tho
clio 182 quicker round a track than the CTR
Oh well, u dont really buy those cars 4 takin round a track 
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Mad Moe
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Vibrio mate what are the stats on you're GT if you dont mind me asking. Is it Std or modified?
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vibrio
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Originally posted by Mad Moe
Vibrio mate what are the stats on you're GT if you dont mind me asking. Is it Std or modified?
it's moddied slightly stats are unknown really. 15.2 1/4 @ 93mph
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Robbo
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Screaming Vtec
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you need it mapped as well
Apexi VAFC mate - Vtec Air/fuel corrector 
Hence I said the rolling road setup...
At least do some research
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Liveforever
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id like theses civic type r but they are sooooo common!!!
My S1 RS turbo was good for whooping these cars.
but that wasa pile of shit rust bucket 
all i want is a car with a 2.0 turbo next.
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Screaming Vtec
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lol you got some learning to do mate Like bubblevaux said, the 16XE engine (not the X14XE/X16XE) made massive power for its capacity thanks to its design and mechanics. It was actually brought down to 109bhp by fitting a restrictive inlet manifold. This was designated the C16XE and was released into the Opel/Vauxhall Corsa B GSi. This happened because at the time, in 1992, the Astra GTE was still selling well with its famously good C20XE engine, and vuaxhall did not want its little pocket rocket brother the Corsa turning into a more capable machine than the astra. Also the Astra mk3 GSi had an imminent release with the 20XE engine too. It would have been embarressing for vauxhall to fit the unrestricted 150bhp 16XE unit into the corsa. It has been known that with Throttle Bodies, the C16XE can make 220bhp, albeit with a 10k RPM rev limit, but no fancy valve timing at top end. Incredible to say the least. Anyhow, the C20XE can easily make 290bhp with normally aspirated induction and Throttle Bodies, i would be interested to see if a CTR can make the same amount of power in NA form.
Dave
You know nothing matey..
VTEC = low and highlift cams in one...
Basically if you put highlift cams, you have a VTEC system but no bottom end grunt..
Hondas run higher compression than vauxhalls, unless you change the bottom end, the honda is always going to make more power...
Same mods on 10.1 compression, versus same mods on 11.1 compression.. which ones going to produce more power?
If you are talking about changing pistons, then its not really a vauxhall engine is it?
But im willing to put money on it that a Honda engine has way more potential (in HP terms) than any corsa engine
There are Civics in the US producing upwards of 300whp NA..
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Ditch
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Originally posted by vibrio
neither need turbos becuase they are real cars
true true
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Robbo
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blackula
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Clio is smaller than a Civic, so the comparison of speed is pretty pointless.
Like they only get compared because they are 'hot hatches', they are different classes of car like astra / corsa, or fiesta / focus.
The 172's aren't the rocket ship the owners think they are, and smaller Turbo engines are more effective, I watched a more or less standard Starlet Glanza wank over a couple of rugby shirt wearing, cider drinking, 'ollies' in a 172. If speed was the only factor everyone would be driving old turbo cars and tuning them, and not jacking off over 182's, cups and fookin hondas.
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Marc
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T-O-R-Q-U-E
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Robbo
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... is excellent for a n/a 2.0
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blackula
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TORQUE IS ABILITY TO DO WORK
HORSEPOWER IS THE SPEED IT CAN BE DONE AT
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Screaming Vtec
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Have a look on Honda-tech.com
There are RSX's on there (same engine as CTR) pushing 300bhp... to the wheels  - thats 340-350 in our numbers..
...thats NA btw...
Lots on there with TURBO'd K20's (CTR engine) running upwards of 500whp.. There are rumours of a 1000whp engine being built up
Of corse the C16xe will EASILY do that..
B16's (CRX VTEC engine) 1.6 so comparable to the C16xe - hmmm, can you say 320whp (350 ish) NA !
Upwards of 500whp again turbo'd
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blackula
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Whilst I have all the resect for Vauxhall engines and their power potential, comparing them to Honda Vtec engines is like comparing having a wank over some porn and shagging some strippers.
There is no comparison.
AMEN
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vibrio
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quote:
Originally posted by Screaming Vtec
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you need it mapped as well
Apexi VAFC mate - Vtec Air/fuel corrector
Hence I said the rolling road setup...
At least do some research
strange
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Originally posted by Screaming Vtec
Its not as easy as just saying, right, lets drop it to 3k rpm and have more power..
The VTEC changover point is where the standard cams make less power than the VTEC cam..
You can probably lower it 200-300 rpm, because there is usually a small dip in power just before VTEC engagement..
If you drop it too much you will make LESS power on the high cam than the low cam..
What your mods are will effect when is the best time for VTEC engagement, basically you do a run on low cam, and one on high, where the two graphs cross (where both cams are making the same power) is the best point for VTEC.
On my Prelude for example, standard was 5100, I dropped it to 4700, as thats where the high cams started making more power than the low cam.
Smooths the VTEC 'kick' thou.
no mention of it in there 
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