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Lots of them do earn a living, I think the problem is alot of people in this thread are scared of travellers
or dont actually know 1 of them to compare. Totally different lifestyle but because they dont do what they are told like the rest they are bad people. I think they have got it right, earn cash dont pay taxes and dont put into this failed system . I cant see anything wrong with what they do . The lads i know all work very hard
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are you been serious? they got kicked out? you know nothing at all, the reason they come was to work and earn a living . 
also state how its exactly like london riots ? do you see them going round town breaking into shops and attacking folk for no reason ? No , your statement is wrong and cant be compared to the riots in any way shape or form
The Irish didn't want them in their towns, they were "effectively" kicked out. If you do a google search for 'Travellers/Gypos/Pikies/Pikeys kicked out of Ireland' then many people say the same thing. Ask your parents as they'll probably know more than you. Scotland actually ordered them to stop traveling or leave back in the 1500s!
The London Riots term is a metaphor ( http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/metaphor )
But if you want me to answer that then it's a YES, I've seen them enter my local shops and take whatever they want off the shelves, threaten people and walk out. 
The metaphor was to show that they have broken the law and think they can get away with it. So your "No , your statement is wrong and cant be compared to the riots in any way shape or form" is nothing but FAIL
Why should they be allowed to break the law? Answer that, [caps] ANSWER THAT! [/caps]
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Lots of them do earn a living, I think the problem is alot of people in this thread are scared of travellers
they earn a living when it suits them too, i have had personal experience with a group down the road, and they are a nightmare, we have a personal farmer friend who installed some gates for them, now they cant get any money out of them and its got to the stage where they are just going to go and take the gates back
also other similar stories, my exs dad was a fabricator that made some stuff for them and again couldnt get any payment from them
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also they are aggressive and violent, my parents were down the pub with some family friends and they were sat at a table laughing about some story, these gypsies sat over the way for some reason thought they were laughing at them and came over asking them to go outside and have it out.
Then a couple of days later the bloke who was with us got stopped in his tractor by one of them and told to get out for a fight
[Edited on 22-09-2011 by Steve]
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Conway563
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Willay just likes them because they give him loads of cash
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adiohead
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"I'd fuck any fucking man" - Patrick Doherty
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQzYnbljZ9Y
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saying that the old romany gypsies (in the old wagons with horses) seem absolutely fine
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Adiohead you can't compare anything illegally done to the riots ? It's like comparing someone speeding to it, you sound an idiot, the original point of them protesting to stay is nothing to do with riots, therefore u fail. Oh and you would have seen them go into a shop and steal , handy for the subject. Also why should they follow the law? So they can fleece you every month and tell you what you can and can't do.
I have no problems with them at all, I think people would love to get away with what they do but don't have the balls . Basically they put two fingers up at the people who keep everyone in line and in my opinion I think fair play
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Lots of them do earn a living, I think the problem is alot of people in this thread are scared of travellers
they earn a living when it suits them too, i have had personal experience with a group down the road, and they are a nightmare, we have a personal farmer friend who installed some gates for them, now they cant get any money out of them and its got to the stage where they are just going to go and take the gates back
also other similar stories, my exs dad was a fabricator that made some stuff for them and again couldnt get any payment from them
Plenty that I know earn a living all the time because shit costs money and they have big families (and fancy tastes) to cater for.
Some do take the piss, and if you are stupid enough to do a job for a traveller without payment upfront then you need to question your own business practices. Actually a friend of mine (not black or a traveller  ) has fixed a few motors for customers and not taken payment after car collection and has had untold problems with people he thought he could trust. I guess that makes all them white males scum too?
My mothers uncle brothers sister mate got robbed by a black guy, all black guys muggers. 
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Willay just likes them because they give him loads of cash
Some pay with debit cards too, but seriously the job I'm currently in has given me insight into their way of life and business. I'm not saying they are all angels, I'm pretty sure a bunch of travellers were making a habit of flytipping tree cut offs/garden bullshit down my road (once in the middle of the road) but that doesn't mean all travellers are scum of the earth.
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im only basing anything on the lot that live round here, but it does seem slightly suspicious that the general consensus from all over the country is they seem to act like this
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Ask the northern part of CorsaSport what they think of black/asians and you'll get another negative stereotype Steve.
Its fear, everyone fears them and listens to all the bullshit that everyone says.
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Adiohead you can't compare anything illegally done to the riots ? It's like comparing someone speeding to it, you sound an idiot, the original point of them protesting to stay is nothing to do with riots, therefore u fail.
Let me make this simple for you:
- People broke the law during the riots and thought they could get away with it. Luckily CCTV meant that lots of people got caught.
- The Pikey people put up plots and built without planning permission, which is illegal. They are hopefully being evicted from the illegal plot.
Bazowned. 
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Oh and you would have seen them go into a shop and steal , handy for the subject.
ffs, pikies steal all the time and they targeted my local shop whilst my mum was in there working.
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Also why should they follow the law? So they can fleece you every month and tell you what you can and can't do.
What the fuck are you going on about?
You don't think they should have to follow the laws of the land they are living in?
They can fuck of somewhere else then.
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I have no problems with them at all, I think people would love to get away with what they do but don't have the balls . Basically they put two fingers up at the people who keep everyone in line and in my opinion I think fair play
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if you are stupid enough to do a job for a traveller without payment upfront then you need to question your own business practices.
So they're untrustworthy.
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I doubt every single one of them conforms to the stereotype, an overwhelming majority do though.
There was a small site near me for them, some brick hut things built, I'm not sure what the story was but they basically burnt it all down and left one day, great bunch of people.
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yeah i agree with john it would be silly to say they were all bad people, im sure a portion of them are ok.
but im under no doubt the majority just go about like they please with no regard for law or moral
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Willay just likes them because they give him loads of cash
Some pay with debit cards too, but seriously the job I'm currently in has given me insight into their way of life and business. I'm not saying they are all angels, I'm pretty sure a bunch of travellers were making a habit of flytipping tree cut offs/garden bullshit down my road (once in the middle of the road) but that doesn't mean all travellers are scum of the earth.
I know mate.
There's a mix round here. The ones that live in their own little estate who like to go round in their transits nicking peoples BBQs for scrap whilst their kids play chicken on the M4 and the ones that live in houses or smaller plots and seem fine.
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if you are stupid enough to do a job for a traveller without payment upfront then you need to question your own business practices.
So they're untrustworthy.
Some are, but there is alot of people out there in the UK who would do a bunk if they got goods before payment - not just travellers.
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If they got planning permission for the extra plot then we wouldn't be having this discussion. They broke the law and laws need to be upheld, otherwise people will start doing this all over the country.
These people were offered housing and they refused it. They could have also moved to other plots which had empty spaces, but they chose not to.
To let these people win would show how weak this country is.
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We arent talking buying a TV though are we, we are talking about a trade whereby you pay upon completion.
if you had an extension built on your house would you pay before the work was complete?
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You would never pay up front for an extention, or a gate. Infact when our electric gate was installed this year we paid on the day it was completed and handed over.
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exactly
hence why this guy is just going to go and take the gates back
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if you are stupid enough to do a job for a traveller without payment upfront then you need to question your own business practices.
So they're untrustworthy.
Some are, but there is alot of people out there in the UK who would do a bunk if they got goods before payment - not just travellers.
Oh yeah, there are bad people everywhere! But we're talking about travellers and, by your own admission, they are untrustworthy.
My company thrives on collected payment after issuing goods and services.
[Edited on 22-09-2011 by adiohead]
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Has anyone mentioned the word "inbred" yet? 
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On a slight side note, anyone who is more up to speed on travellers, we have a small site being setup down the road, and call me stereotypical im paranoid about my stuff going missing now.
I often leave tools etc lying about sometimes wheels off the car over night etc
Do they operate on a "wont shit on there own doorstep"
or might they not care and come pinching anyway 
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