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Steve he scored a fucking hat trick against Arsenal too you retard. A quite simply stunning hat trick at that.
him in Barcelona scored a hatrick. I just have my.doubts if all these hatricks and goals would come if he was say with man city in the epl
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Steve
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he certainly doesnt tear up the world playing for argentina does he, infact id say ronaldo playing for portugal on an international level provides more then messi does for argies
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ronaldo has scored 15 for portugal against messi's 18 for argies hardly a massive addition worthy of best player ever that people are bleating on about IMO
HOWEVER
messi with barcelona = best club team ever IMO
[Edited on 30-10-2011 by Steve]
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Well done Steve. If he went to a worse side he would score less, genius.
The fact he has scored just under 40 goals in 61 CL appearances tells you all you need to know in terms of performance outside of La Liga. This includes goals against the top EPL sides.
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Also rooney has scored 28 for england, does that make him a better player then messi? i think not, i would also say england were a worse side then argentina so its not even as if you can say rooneys in a better side
if you are comparing caps against caps and goals, alan shearer capped 63 times with 30 goals.
Messi capped 44 times with 18, even if he scored every single game for the next 19 he would still only marginally beat shearers record.
Again, point im trying to make is that i genuinely think if he ended up at another team he would just be seen as good (eg ronaldo) rather then breathtaking and amazing
[Edited on 30-10-2011 by Steve]
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steve i reckon some things are better left unsaid
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nah i know im not going to get many agreeing lol, most people are on the messi bandwagon and get sucked in by all the media surrounding him and numbers eg hatricks and total goals etc = he must be amazing, when iv seen him play he's been impressive, at times brilliant for barcelona, less so for argentina.
[Edited on 30-10-2011 by Steve]
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You really do have a thing about internationals.
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Steve
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lol i support england united m8
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Cavey
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Still not really sure what point you're trying to make Steve.
That he plays worse for Argentina than he does for Barcelona?
He's the best player in the best club team in the world, therefore surely the best player in the world?
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Steve
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Hes the best player in the world because hes with Barcelona, so yes i guess on that note he is.
But the point im trying to make is a portion of that brilliance is down to the team hes in rather then him himself being amazing.
That if you take him out of Barcelona and stick him in a top EPL side, then i dont think he would score as many goal or be as great, maybe not even the best, then again he might we will never know.
I suppose if you watch him play regularly and totally disregard his goal tally in the equation thats more of a formed opinion, but simply to look at goal tallys and hatricks etc and say wow hes scored a million goals is unbelievable, when that stat could well be down to the fact most of the league hes playing in is substandard
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It's not just the number of goals he scores, it's the way he scores the goals, the assists he puts in, the amount of man of the match performances he has etc...
He can walk past 6 players and lob the keeper while being blindfolded doing a handstand. The lad has god given talent. He can change the game by himself.
I haven't got the stats for his conversion rate on shots, but i'd imagine it's fairly high EDIT: (for La Liga last season his conversion rate was 22%, he had a part in nearly half of all Barcas goals, 47%) Ronaldo (inveitable comparison) had 14% conversion and played a part in 39% of his teams goals) - http://basicfootball.wordpress.com/2011/01/19/messi-vs-ronaldo-in-numbers/ can't find anything for all competitions or just CL
Obviously being in the team he is in, in the league they are in helps.
I think the Champions League stats kind of kill off any thought that he's only good because the league he's in is shit.
I don't know why he doesn't do as well for the Argies, but in fairness, they always do shit in internationals. Think they lost to Guatemala or some shit last time out
[Edited on 30-10-2011 by Cavey]
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Originally posted by Eck
Steve he scored a fucking hat trick against Arsenal too you retard. A quite simply stunning hat trick at that.
So has Rooney 
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Nath
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Blimey, what happened in here?!
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Marc
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Its these fairweather fans upsetting the FA Cup draw selection machine.
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Steve
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can i just point out
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Originally posted by Nath
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they have already surpassed Arsenal
I like you Steve. You're a welcome addition to Sports Day.
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Cavey
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Luton Town v Nothampton (not TOO far off a local derby?)
Crewe v Colchester  Fuck sake, wouldn't of minded a run in the cup, oh well, we'll stick to being shit in the league then
Couldn't find York in the first round draw for some reason 
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Couldn't find York in the first round draw for some reason
York are taking the play offs seriously this year.
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ronaldo has also played in 3 seaons for RM, and scored a total of 98 goals, compared to 6 seasons at united of 118, hes only 20 goals behind with half the time played!
When he first went to Man Utd he was a raw teenager with loads of potential, that's it. When he left United he was the finished article, scoring over 30 goals a season.
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Originally posted by Steve
can i just point out
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Originally posted by Nath
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Originally posted by Steve
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Originally posted by Ben D
they have already surpassed Arsenal
I like you Steve. You're a welcome addition to Sports Day.
ok
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Nath
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Originally posted by Cavey
Luton Town v Nothampton (not TOO far off a local derby?)
Crewe v Colchester Fuck sake, wouldn't of minded a run in the cup, oh well, we'll stick to being shit in the league then
Couldn't find York in the first round draw for some reason
[Edited on 30-10-2011 by Cavey]
Good draw for us. There's about 35 miles between the two places but it's only a couple of junctions on the M1, so nice and easy.
[Edited on 30-10-2011 by Nath]
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Messi is the best player in the world and he would remain the best player in the world if he played for Leyton Orient.
Stick to posting about what metal you've chopped off your track car Steve.
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Originally posted by Cavey
Luton Town v Nothampton (not TOO far off a local derby?)
Crewe v Colchester Fuck sake, wouldn't of minded a run in the cup, oh well, we'll stick to being shit in the league then
Couldn't find York in the first round draw for some reason
[Edited on 30-10-2011 by Cavey]
Because we played a weakened team against the league leaders. Too big for the FA cup these days. Won't need to qualify next season anyway
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Cavey
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Doesnt look like the Spurs match will finish 2-0  Again no CS this week
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Spurs are brilliant today.
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