Steve
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yeah its easier, noone arguing that, but the pay is also less, you get paid for being stressed in the private sector.
boils down to what you value more, better less stress quality of life or more money
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Baskey
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What they should or shouldn't get is irrelevant. They were offered something that is now been taken away. I'd be pissed right off.
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Steve
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also agree with that
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John
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I don't agree with this being paid more in private sector. For what jobs exactly?
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Robbo
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quote:
Originally posted by Baskey
What they should or shouldn't get is irrelevant. They were offered something that is now been taken away. I'd be pissed right off.
but its happened in every country up and down the country. This happened WELL before the credit crucnh too, we're talking back in 2002/3 when it all started off. DB schemes are simply not sustainable and companies racked up HUGE deficits (look up the BT troubles for the clearest indication) and as has been said, everyone else has had to deal with it as it's the reality - its not a cost saver per se, it's a necy measure for the pensions system to survive
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Ben J
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Just seen this thread.
Firstly I don't agree with strikes.
However some of the comments on here are laughable.
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LeeM
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thing is theyve had to cut costs. private companies that have been struggling to stay afloat have simply closed down leaving everyone without a job.
public sector places cant close down so have to find a way to operate for less
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Baskey
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Robbo yep your correct, they are completely unworkable. I think that most the public sector workers also would agree.
It's a shame we still have the outdated, greedy unions that cause nothing but problems.
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stuartmitchell
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quote:
Originally posted by Baskey
What they should or shouldn't get is irrelevant. They were offered something that is now been taken away. I'd be pissed right off.
I see where your coming from mate but, for example, Standard Life offered me the world when I opened up my own Pension and i'll be lucky if half of what they promised comes to fruition simply because the markets have changed completely in the last 7 years.
So it effects everyone and the public sector should not be immune. How many fowk in the private sector have had to take a pay drop, forego bonuses etc that were promised to them?
Besides, I'm too fucking scared of my boss to strike 
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Steve
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quote:
Originally posted by LeeM
thing is theyve had to cut costs. private companies that have been struggling to stay afloat have simply closed down leaving everyone without a job.
public sector places cant close down so have to find a way to operate for less
thats true, that another reason why people stay in public sector work for less pay, job security
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Rick Draper
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I back them totally.
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Ben J
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I back them but don't agree with striking.
My missus is a Primary School Deputy head. She's on maternity leave though so striking doesn't affect her.
[Edited on 29-11-2011 by Ben J]
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richc
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Abit of topic but its all in reguards to the 'economic downturn' in which these strikes orginate from.
Mr Milliband on the radio saying he would (if in power) cut VAT to get people having more money in there pockets to get the economy moving. What a stupid idea. Cut gouverment income when they need it the most. The difference it makes to us as people is pennies (on the weekly shop you might get £1-2 off at the very most) but for the gouverment it is 100's of milllions.
I love the last time they cut Vat they claimed it would get everyone spending and all the media talked about how it would save you £10 on a 50 inch plasma TV; like we buy them every week.
Stupid fuckers.
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Steve
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labour are the very reason we are in this shit hole mess
fucking have a cheek to start trying to brand about fixes
if i was david cameron i would literally tell him to fuck off to his face
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taylorboosh
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quote:
Originally posted by Steve
quote:
Originally posted by LeeM
thing is theyve had to cut costs. private companies that have been struggling to stay afloat have simply closed down leaving everyone without a job.
public sector places cant close down so have to find a way to operate for less
thats true, that another reason why people stay in public sector work for less pay, job security
why the fuck do you keep saying that, its utter shite mate? my mrs works in care for the council and had also did care for the nhs... wages are far better than private.
private = min wage
council = 9 ph ish
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Robbo
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VAT is the worst possible thing to change. As you alluded to, it makes fuck all difference to your average consumer (unless buyign a car or large electrical equipment, whcih as you say is hardly a regular occureence), makes fuck all difference to businesses as they pay and receive at the same rate BUT crucially, causes companies (especially small ones) no end of hassle in dealing with a new rate - changing prices, paperwork etc. etc.! It's an administrative nightmare and the whole episdoe just proved how economically inept labour were/are
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taylorboosh
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Originally posted by John
I don't agree with this being paid more in private sector. For what jobs exactly?
feel like steve needs to answer this
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spencer88
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Public sector do not earn less, load of bollocks.
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taylorboosh
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imo the reason we are in the mess still is the fucking papers
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JordyCarter
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They should be fired for striking
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taylorboosh
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Originally posted by spencer88
Public sector do not earn less, load of bollocks.
if anything more imo
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Russ
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quote:
Originally posted by Steve
labour are the very reason we are in this shit hole mess
fucking have a cheek to start trying to brand about fixes
if i was david cameron i would literally tell him to fuck off to his face
New labour hadn't finished tidying conservative mess up when they lost power. Now The Tories are trying to find any excuse they can to get rid of everything they can to their rich mates again.
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stuartmitchell
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quote:
Originally posted by john-d
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Originally posted by Steve
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Originally posted by LeeM
thing is theyve had to cut costs. private companies that have been struggling to stay afloat have simply closed down leaving everyone without a job.
public sector places cant close down so have to find a way to operate for less
thats true, that another reason why people stay in public sector work for less pay, job security
why the fuck do you keep saying that, its utter shite mate? my mrs works in care for the council and had also did care for the nhs... wages are far better than private.
private = min wage
council = 9 ph ish
Agreed. My Mrs is a lawyer - as a Procurator Fiscal (Public) - £36K
As a defence lawyer (private) £27K
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taylorboosh
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my mam is paid like £8.50 ph to clean for benifits people lol
bin men are on a great wage for unskilled work too
infact i dont really know anyone who works a council job whos wage isnt better than the equivilent
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Russ
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Id say on average it's only higher paid/skilled jobs where there's more money in the private sector.
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