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id like to see your reaction if that happend against england
Id be majorly pissed off, not gonna dispute that!
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Cosmo
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id like to see your reaction if that happend against england
You obviously dont know how my support for England works 
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Robbo
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Strange one, so that then means the linesman 50 yards away has to keep an eye on the line to see of anyone strays off and to use his own judgement as to whether the player behind the line, in this instance, is injured or has been knocked there by his own player? Linesman can be shit at times but that is asking a lot of them imo.
Guess they feel its unlikely and it would be up to the ref to make the call regarding why the player is off the pitch
Technically you have to get the refs permission to leave the pitch otherwise you are still considered active?
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id like to see your reaction if that happend against england
You obviously dont know how my support for England works
Liverpool then
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Aye i suppose so. The offside rule has became far too complicated with this 'interfering with play' carry on. There was another instance last night when Van der Vart in an offside position stepped over the ball and Van Persie ran through from an onside position and would have been 1 on 1 with the keeper but got pulled back. Discretion is a hard thing to use in a split second judgement, its almost became pot luck.
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Guess they feel its unlikely and it would be up to the ref to make the call regarding why the player is off the pitch
Technically you have to get the refs permission to leave the pitch otherwise you are still considered active?
And you are also not allowed to enter from behind the goal line.
So would be interesting to see that if the player considering himself to be off injured if he then returned after the refs permission from one of the side lines - and if not he was an illegal player the rest of the game 
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Aye i suppose so. The offside rule has became far too complicated with this 'interfering with play' carry on. There was another instance last night when Van der Vart in an offside position stepped over the ball and Van Persie ran through from an onside position and would have been 1 on 1 with the keeper but got pulled back. Discretion is a hard thing to use in a split second judgement, its almost became pot luck.
Yeah that part of the off side rule really annoys me. IMO if you are on the pitch and not interferring with play then you shouldnt be on the pitch at all.
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gianluigi
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ive read enough of this rubbish.
bye 
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Robbo
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Aye i suppose so. The offside rule has became far too complicated with this 'interfering with play' carry on. There was another instance last night when Van der Vart in an offside position stepped over the ball and Van Persie ran through from an onside position and would have been 1 on 1 with the keeper but got pulled back. Discretion is a hard thing to use in a split second judgement, its almost became pot luck.
yeah, that was seemingly not offside and just good paly so not sure why he got puleld back
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Originally posted by gianluigi
ive read enough of this rubbish.
bye
FPMSL
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Guess they feel its unlikely and it would be up to the ref to make the call regarding why the player is off the pitch
Technically you have to get the refs permission to leave the pitch otherwise you are still considered active?
And you are also not allowed to enter from behind the goal line.
So would be interesting to see that if the player considering himself to be off injured if he then returned after the refs permission from one of the side lines - and if not he was an illegal player the rest of the game
Convuluted but a fair point!
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Aye i suppose so. The offside rule has became far too complicated with this 'interfering with play' carry on. There was another instance last night when Van der Vart in an offside position stepped over the ball and Van Persie ran through from an onside position and would have been 1 on 1 with the keeper but got pulled back. Discretion is a hard thing to use in a split second judgement, its almost became pot luck.
yeah, that was seemingly not offside and just good paly so not sure why he got puleld back
If you're not involved in play when the ball goes through your legs then what are you?
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Robbo
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Exactly, or are they saying he distracted one of their players :/ Bit like the CL S-F
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Exactly, or are they saying he distracted one of their players :/ Bit like the CL S-F
No, Im saying he WAS off side for jumping over the ball.
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Got ya lol
Suppose its a judgement call, technically hes not tocuhed the ball and rtherefore not offside but as you say, that is sor tof itnerfering with play :/
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Agree with hammer to an extent but there's no easy fix. If a player is interferring with play in one way or another it needs to be offisde or players would all be taking advantage. The decision against italy is hard to swallow for them but if they didn't have that rule (and as you say they have to make a split second judgement, remember reffing has always been like this lads  ) then people would abuse there position as the last man all the time.
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Got ya lol
Suppose its a judgement call, technically hes not tocuhed the ball and rtherefore not offside but as you say, that is sor tof itnerfering with play :/
Its not sort of, its 100%. The defender would of seen him by the ball and his attention would of been turned to him rather than RVN, therefore giving the advantage.
The same is there if a player is completely over the otherside of the pitch to the ball IMO, as he'll be dragging the defence over and taking away cover where the ball is - yet this wouldnt be given offside when IMO it is.
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Good summary Tommy
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Can clearly see the Italian bloke on't floor layed on his back with his hands on his head, so you cant really say he was "interfering" with play, fair enough if he had just slid off while trying to make a tackle, but no way can he influence the game from where he is.
With regards to the offside law, they need to scrap all the interfering with play, active/not active rubbish and just go back to being offside, or not offside. That way everyone knows what is happening, and you wont get any of this.
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Yes BUT from the Dutch perspective, not their fault the Italian player went off the pitch and made RVN offside...
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gianluigi
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not true robbo. because when panucci was pushed off the pitch RVN was still onside...only when the defenders done what a good defense do -they stepped up and made RVN offside. watch it again.
this is really winding me up
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Nath
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Fucking silly rule.
Offside should be offisde.
End of.
None of this interferring bollocks.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePiCU71OrT4
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1. RVN only found himself 'offside' when the italians stepped up in a line
2. i doubt RVN knew about panucci being off the pitch
3. i doubt the italian defenders knew the same
4. if it was called offside, i doubt the dutch players would have made a protest using section 11.4.1 of the offside rule.
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You still wouldnt of won, stop your moaning.
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