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adiohead

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21st Oct 11 at 09:31

Basically, Haldex is a good system, but not as good as Torsen, if you require it.

Ben G

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21st Oct 11 at 10:05

Got a good quote on.a red 197 with.recaros for 7k but i think it gives off a.young driver image.

I know the mk1 rs isnt much better but itll hold its value better.

Too many.choices.

mwg

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21st Oct 11 at 10:06

How old are you?

Fad

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21st Oct 11 at 10:08

Deffo RS however I wouldnt like to leave it anywhere near Dagenham tbh.

I think you'd suit the TT you dont really seem like a thrill seeker Ben in all honesty

Ben G

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21st Oct 11 at 10:13

I drive like a twat down the lanes mate, ask the missus lol.

Rs is in a private facility when im in dagenham so no problems there.

Im 23, 24 in april, matty.

mwg

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21st Oct 11 at 10:15

Still young enough to have a Clio 197. Buy it.

whitter45

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21st Oct 11 at 10:19

quote:
Originally posted by mwg
Thats a ridiculous argument. It's just a name.

Same as Mercedes and BMW calling their models the "wrong" engine size. e.g. BMW 328i is a 2.0T on the new model. No relation to what it used to stand for but I'm not going to get my knickers in knot over it.

You're also bringing your own definition of 4WD in to this when the reality is that Haldex drives all 4 wheels. So it's 4WD.

[Edited on 21-10-2011 by mwg]

why is at a ridiculous argument

Quattro has a technical definition - haldex is not quattro so why label the car a quattro

Steve

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21st Oct 11 at 10:23

FALSE ADVERTISING

whitter45

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21st Oct 11 at 10:24

quote:
Originally posted by adiohead
Basically, Haldex is a good system, but not as good as Torsen, if you require it.

ok so on that front my argument stands

Why does a 225BHP car need a Haldex system when most now have 250+ BHP and are FWD

The fact is everyone has stated the TT 4wd will good for winter etc blah blah

My argument is purely thas the TT is not what everyone is cracking it up to be

And lets be honest if the reason your buying a TT is so you don't get stuck in the snow then you are clearly missing the point - other cars will do that job much better

You are trying justify the reason for a TT having 4wd and the case doesn't add up f all you can say its useful for the 2 weeks of the year we may have snow

Plus how you define a car is different from each individual. However having owned one, they are dull to drive, have an awful ride but are a good car to own

3CorsaMeal

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21st Oct 11 at 10:24

I thought it meant four cheese

adiohead

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21st Oct 11 at 10:24

quote:
Originally posted by whitter45

quote:
Originally posted by mwg
Thats a ridiculous argument. It's just a name.

Same as Mercedes and BMW calling their models the "wrong" engine size. e.g. BMW 328i is a 2.0T on the new model. No relation to what it used to stand for but I'm not going to get my knickers in knot over it.

You're also bringing your own definition of 4WD in to this when the reality is that Haldex drives all 4 wheels. So it's 4WD.

[Edited on 21-10-2011 by mwg]

why is at a ridiculous argument

Quattro has a technical definition - haldex is not quattro so why label the car a quattro

Haldex is Quattro m8

adiohead

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21st Oct 11 at 10:26

quote:
Originally posted by whitter45

quote:
Originally posted by adiohead
Basically, Haldex is a good system, but not as good as Torsen, if you require it.

ok so on that front my argument stands

Why does a 225BHP car need a Haldex system when most now have 250+ BHP and are FWD

Because 225 used to be the top of the range m8

My car would benefit from Haldex.

whitter45

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21st Oct 11 at 10:28

quote:
Originally posted by adiohead

quote:
Originally posted by whitter45

quote:
Originally posted by mwg
Thats a ridiculous argument. It's just a name.

Same as Mercedes and BMW calling their models the "wrong" engine size. e.g. BMW 328i is a 2.0T on the new model. No relation to what it used to stand for but I'm not going to get my knickers in knot over it.

You're also bringing your own definition of 4WD in to this when the reality is that Haldex drives all 4 wheels. So it's 4WD.

[Edited on 21-10-2011 by mwg]

why is at a ridiculous argument

Quattro has a technical definition - haldex is not quattro so why label the car a quattro

Haldex is Quattro m8

quattro was first introduced in 1980 on the permanent four wheel drive Audi Quattro. he term quattro has since been applied to all subsequent Audi 4WD models. Due to the nomenclature rights derived from the trademark, the word quattro is now always spelled with a lower case "q", in honour of its former namesake.

None of the above trademarks or nomenclatures defines the operation or type of 4WD system,

whitter45

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21st Oct 11 at 10:29

quote:
Originally posted by adiohead

quote:
Originally posted by whitter45

quote:
Originally posted by adiohead
Basically, Haldex is a good system, but not as good as Torsen, if you require it.

ok so on that front my argument stands

Why does a 225BHP car need a Haldex system when most now have 250+ BHP and are FWD

Because 225 used to be the top of the range m8

My car would benefit from Haldex.

why would it benefit - incase you get stuck in the snow

i honestly dont see why a 225BHP FWD needs 4wd - because its top of the range doesn't mean it has to have 4wd

[Edited on 21-10-2011 by whitter45]

adiohead

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21st Oct 11 at 10:29

quote:
Originally posted by whitter45

quote:
Originally posted by adiohead

quote:
Originally posted by whitter45

quote:
Originally posted by mwg
Thats a ridiculous argument. It's just a name.

Same as Mercedes and BMW calling their models the "wrong" engine size. e.g. BMW 328i is a 2.0T on the new model. No relation to what it used to stand for but I'm not going to get my knickers in knot over it.

You're also bringing your own definition of 4WD in to this when the reality is that Haldex drives all 4 wheels. So it's 4WD.

[Edited on 21-10-2011 by mwg]

why is at a ridiculous argument

Quattro has a technical definition - haldex is not quattro so why label the car a quattro

Haldex is Quattro m8

quattro was first introduced in 1980 on the permanent four wheel drive Audi Quattro. he term quattro has since been applied to all subsequent Audi 4WD models. Due to the nomenclature rights derived from the trademark, the word quattro is now always spelled with a lower case "q", in honour of its former namesake.

None of the above trademarks or nomenclatures defines the operation or type of 4WD system,

Haldex is quattro m8

3CorsaMeal

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21st Oct 11 at 10:31

I fitted Tipp-ex to my car, tis pretty good in the snow

adiohead

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21st Oct 11 at 10:31

quote:
Originally posted by whitter45

quote:
Originally posted by adiohead

quote:
Originally posted by whitter45

quote:
Originally posted by adiohead
Basically, Haldex is a good system, but not as good as Torsen, if you require it.

ok so on that front my argument stands

Why does a 225BHP car need a Haldex system when most now have 250+ BHP and are FWD

Because 225 used to be the top of the range m8

My car would benefit from Haldex.

why would it benefit - incase you get stuck in the snow

i honestly dont see why a 25BHP FWD needs 4wd

25bhp FWD wouldn't need 4wd, I agree.

It's the same way a 110bhp diesel might have 4wd.
Or the same way a 200bhp Subura might have 4wd.

If you've owned a 225bhp FWD car for as long as I have, and where I live, then you will want 4wd (even haldex 4wd) in your next car. (Or I could just buy winter tyres and a spare set of wheels, but I'd rather have 4wd)

Also more fun on roundabouts too

[Edited on 21-10-2011 by adiohead]

mwg

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21st Oct 11 at 10:47

quote:
Originally posted by whitter45
why is at a ridiculous argument

Quattro has a technical definition - haldex is not quattro so why label the car a quattro

Because quattro is now what Audi call their cars with 4 driven wheels regardless of whether its a Torsen or Haldex system.

mwg

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21st Oct 11 at 10:49

quote:
Originally posted by whitter45
None of the above trademarks or nomenclatures defines the operation or type of 4WD system,

Doesn't that bit there kind of sum it up. Quattro does not necessarily define it as being the old torsen quattro system.

adiohead

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21st Oct 11 at 10:50

I wish BMW sold the xi versions of their cars in the uk.

I'd love a 335xi

Joe

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21st Oct 11 at 11:25

9 pages, wow. Basically its a perfectly good system. I don't think its dangerous, I'd never use snow as a plus point as we get fuck all in the grand scheme of it but my car was fine last year, it drives 4 wheels, its 4wd imo.

Also, saying the tt/s3/whatever else doesn't need it. It probably doesn't but the only high powered fwd cars I have driven have been Astra VXR and Vectra VXR, I know they have a bit more grunt but my car is so much more planted from any speed whereas they are all over the show but maybe I'm Jeremy Clarkson and it was a VXR on 1.4 club suspension or something.

Steve

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21st Oct 11 at 11:27

some people are going to go mad now imo

Joe

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21st Oct 11 at 11:31

I hope so.

jamied

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21st Oct 11 at 11:40

So much shit posted on this thead its unbelievable.

Jambo

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21st Oct 11 at 12:04

Id rather drive a 4wd heavier car that powers something to the rear. Than a fwd car. In a genralisation.

FWD is pants.

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