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Icy

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6th Jan 04 at 11:04

quote:
Originally posted by Icy
so with athlon its more complicated with all the compatibility and with pentium its kinda straight forward anything goes?

am i right then?

mmm duno pentium or amd
wud like to try amd
so with a 2800xp its really 2.08 mhz?

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6th Jan 04 at 11:08

yeah thats rite

give amd a go

Super_si

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6th Jan 04 at 11:41

quote:
Originally posted by willay
Yes you need memory that your motherboard supports, if it isnt on the specification then go to the makes website, download the manual and check that

No you dont.

If its DDR you can run what ever. Usually DDR400 + these days is the standard. Running higher usually is dependant for overclockers. Means the memory runs in sync with the pc. IF you go over your memory ceiling you need either good cooling or luck. Because it'll cause crashes and very unstable.

Si

Dan B

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6th Jan 04 at 12:26

quote:
Originally posted by Icy

quote:
Originally posted by Icy
so with athlon its more complicated with all the compatibility and with pentium its kinda straight forward anything goes?

am i right then?

mmm duno pentium or amd
wud like to try amd
so with a 2800xp its really 2.08 mhz?

Depends on the kind......the "Barton" XP2800+ runs at 2.08GHz, the "Thoroughbred" XP2800+ runs at 2.25GHz.

drunkenfool

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6th Jan 04 at 12:31

I know the different speed memories have different pin configurations on the bottom too, so you have to use one suitable with your mobo.

Icy

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6th Jan 04 at 14:04

quote:
Originally posted by Dan B

quote:
Originally posted by Icy

quote:
Originally posted by Icy
so with athlon its more complicated with all the compatibility and with pentium its kinda straight forward anything goes?

am i right then?

mmm duno pentium or amd
wud like to try amd
so with a 2800xp its really 2.08 mhz?

Depends on the kind......the "Barton" XP2800+ runs at 2.08GHz, the "Thoroughbred" XP2800+ runs at 2.25GHz.

would barton be cheaper then?
thought theyre meant to be better?

thx folks

Dan B

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6th Jan 04 at 14:21

Barton XP2800+ is £108.43 with a heatsink & fan, Thoroughbred XP2800+ is £96.94 without heatsink & fan......going to work out pretty similar, really.

Icy

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6th Jan 04 at 14:26

how do i knw its thoroughbred?a normal one that jus says xp2800?

Dan B

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6th Jan 04 at 14:49

Not entirely sure, on that score......could try asking whoever's selling it, they should know either way.

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6th Jan 04 at 15:20

Thourghbread chips are older than the Bartons, the Barton has a higher FSB and more cache memory. Its the better one to go for.
I'm not sure if the Thourghbread chips are still being manufactred?

Dan B

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6th Jan 04 at 15:24

According to Scan, both the Barton & Thoroughbred chips are both the same FSB for the XP2800+

didjerama

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6th Jan 04 at 15:35

the differance between Thourghbreads and bartons, apart from the bartons is newer, and the chips are different colours. Thourghbreads are green and bartons are grey. Bartons run slightly cooler and have more level 2 cache. Bartons are BETTER. So get one.

quote:

on motherboards and memory
do i have to buy memory that matches the motherboards? ie ddr333 400 etc?

as long as you get DDR333 or higher you will be ok. You are best to get DDR33 2x512mb memory as you won't see any differance to having ddr400.

quote:

dunno which kind of motherboard to buy
what does anyone recommend?
[/qoute]
get this one:
http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/products/index.html?action=c2hvd19wcm9kdWN0X292ZXJ2aWV3&product_uid=43223
as its one of the best AMD motherbroads at the moment and it will take the ram that i talked about above.
As for Processors you already know what you want, heres on of the cheapest places to get it : http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/products/index.html?action=c2hvd19wcm9kdWN0X292ZXJ2aWV3&product_uid=46392 .

Hope that helps.

transca

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6th Jan 04 at 20:14

quote:
Originally posted by willay
uh I THINK with the barton biz its just a different core, some claim that it runs hotter/faster, just get the cheapest I say, if you get the OEM version it doesnt come with a heatsink/fan but if you get the RETAIL version, it will come with it

I think it has double the cache so runs a fair bit quicker

willay

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6th Jan 04 at 20:24

quote:
Originally posted by transca

quote:
Originally posted by willay
uh I THINK with the barton biz its just a different core, some claim that it runs hotter/faster, just get the cheapest I say, if you get the OEM version it doesnt come with a heatsink/fan but if you get the RETAIL version, it will come with it

I think it has double the cache so runs a fair bit quicker

yep hence the think in capitals wasnt completely sure about it, still not sure

willay

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6th Jan 04 at 20:24

quote:
Originally posted by Super_si

quote:
Originally posted by willay
Yes you need memory that your motherboard supports, if it isnt on the specification then go to the makes website, download the manual and check that

No you dont.

If its DDR you can run what ever. Usually DDR400 + these days is the standard. Running higher usually is dependant for overclockers. Means the memory runs in sync with the pc. IF you go over your memory ceiling you need either good cooling or luck. Because it'll cause crashes and very unstable.

Si

cheers for the correction

Icy

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6th Jan 04 at 21:03

seen 2800 xp barton for jus over £80 on 2 sites
prob get that n get a better fan that the packaged ones

Icy

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8th Jan 04 at 00:12

my local shop

AMD 2800MHZ XP DDR

Cost : £489.00

More Info :
MIDI Tower Case

333 FSB MotherBoard

5.1 sound

128Mb geforce fx5200

256Mb DD RAM

80Gb Hard Drive

Dvd Rom Drive

52x Cd-rewriter

Windows xp Compatible Keyboard

MS Compatible Mouse

200 WATT Speakers

56.6k FAX Modem

17" VGA Monitor

USB 2.0

that a good deal?

Icy

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8th Jan 04 at 01:12

Dimension 8300 (System Identifier. Z2TFYYM9)
Dell Dimension 8300 Mini-Tower: Pentium ® 4 processor 3.0GHz with 800MHz system bus
Microsoft® Windows® XP Home Edition

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System Price £1,432.94
Promotion Discount (£475.00)
Discounted Price £957.93
Promotion End Date January 12 2004 06

0 AM Europe/London
Dell recommends Microsoft® Windows® XP

Operating System: Microsoft® Windows® XP Home Edition
Memory: 1024MB (2x512) Dual Channel DDR SDRAM at 400MHz
Floppy Drive: 1.44MB Floppy Drive
Hard Disk Drive: 120GB HDD 2nd SATA Drive
120GB Serial ATA RAID 1 Mirror with 8MB DataBurst™ Cache
Video: 128MB DDR ATI Radeon™ 9800 Pro Graphics Card
Modem: Dell 56k Data/Fax/Voice Modem
Sound Card: Creative Labs SoundBlaster® Audigy™ 2 Sound Card
DVD Drive: 16x DVD Drive
8x DVD+R\+RW with DVD Authoring Software
Software: Dell Picture Studio Image Expert - Standard
Norton AntiVirus 2003 (90 Day Trial)
Microsoft® Works® 7.0
Dell Paint Shop Pro Standard Edition
AOL, Dellnet + Tiscali UK ISP Combo
MISC: SATA Raid 1 Controller Card for 2 HDD
SATA Cable for RAID Card

Icy

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11th Jan 04 at 11:16

wots diff between

athlon dual processors/ nforce2, sis chipset , via chipset???

cdcool1

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11th Jan 04 at 12:14

i aint read all the above, but front side bus (fsb) is the speed at which your processor communicates with the memory, so your processor, motherboard and memory all need to be at the same speed.

if they are not at the same speed, i believe it will just run at the slowest speed in the link

ie if cpu = 400, m/b = 333, ram = 400

it will just run at 333

Gavin

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11th Jan 04 at 12:27

i got my pc components from......

www.eclipse-computers.com

and built it up myself...
they sell everything and there site has pictures of the cases and that! and its free delivery if the order is over £100
they only problem is that u may need to use netscape to view the site cos it has javascript.

a another good one is
www.novatech.co.uk

pew pew pew pewwwww

Icy

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11th Jan 04 at 12:30

got this reply to my Q

Posted: Sun Jan 11, 2004 12:17 pm Post subject:

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athlon duals are boards that enable you to put 2 processor in your machine, unless you need MEGA processing power or your building a server then dont get one, also if you did you need to buy special athlonm chips called athlon MPs (multi processor)

the rest are chipset makers that make the chipsets for motherboards, via has issues with certain software and ussually requires pathes to be installed after you install windows. sis is probs the best chipset you have mentioned tho.

hope this helps

Tiesto

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11th Jan 04 at 14:00

Id go for Barton chipped 2500+ i have this and works a dream ecspically on photoshop with crucial ddr400 512kb memory, and they aint that expensive either, and bartons can be overclocked to near on 3.0ghz, ive clocked myn to 2.85ghz.

places to buy from are:

www.ebuyer.com
www.overclockers.co.uk
www.microdirect.co.uk

and motherboard wise get a Asus A7N8X-E Deluxe nForce2 (Socket A) supports ddr400, but if ya got abit of money to spend get 64 bit AMD processors worth that bit more imo.

oh and get Coolermaster Fan for CPU, works like a dream plus no noise

, i got aero 7 lite one.

[Edited on 11-01-2004 by Corsa_1.0]

Icy

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12th Jan 04 at 02:02

cheers
got enough for the amd 64 but dnt wana

jus decidin on a dam motherboard
got recommended the a7n8xe too

need browse again tm

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