Rob_Lee
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Originally posted by broster
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Originally posted by Adam-D
so a nova engine would not be competitive in a corsa?
so i gues its possible to put carbs on a 16v engine?
or, mark how much has your engine cost to get it to 180bhp?
it would be but i feel its taking one step back, same as fitting carbs to the 16v engine.
I agree... im not sure why you would wanna put carbs on the 16v engine... step back indeed!
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broster
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Originally posted by Rob_Lee
ah noones mentioned the 1.6 16v induction noise... thats why its better!
lol
oh the noise, its prob one of the reasons i went to the stage of tuning i did! lol, the noise is amazing!
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Ant
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Just been doing a bit of diging and i reckon there is about 40kg difference in weight up front between the 2 set ups. So the x16 will hanfle better yes, but I would love to se what a well set up 20xe could do!
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Siberia
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does the c20 now make nice noise then? i love my c16 noise...
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broster
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Originally posted by Siberia
does the c20 now make nice noise then? i love my c16 noise...
no as nice imo, and some are a little more tappy
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Teddy
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Originally posted by aritchie
Just been doing a bit of diging and i reckon there is about 40kg difference in weight up front between the 2 set ups. So the x16 will hanfle better yes, but I would love to se what a well set up 20xe could do!
You would need to spend a lot of money to get a 20xe corsa to handle.
Corner weighting
Toe in
Camber angles etc...
Not cheap.
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Ant
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Originally posted by Teddy
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Originally posted by aritchie
Just been doing a bit of diging and i reckon there is about 40kg difference in weight up front between the 2 set ups. So the x16 will hanfle better yes, but I would love to se what a well set up 20xe could do!
You would need to spend a lot of money to get a 20xe corsa to handle.
Corner weighting
Toe in
Camber angles etc...
Not cheap.
true but you have to spend a lot of money to make a 1600 produce 180BHP
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broster
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Originally posted by aritchie
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Originally posted by Teddy
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Originally posted by aritchie
Just been doing a bit of diging and i reckon there is about 40kg difference in weight up front between the 2 set ups. So the x16 will hanfle better yes, but I would love to se what a well set up 20xe could do!
You would need to spend a lot of money to get a 20xe corsa to handle.
Corner weighting
Toe in
Camber angles etc...
Not cheap.
true but you have to spend a lot of money to make a 1600 produce 180BHP
about as much as you have spend getting you c20xe to produce 156!
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Butler
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I only went to bed for a few hours and your bickering like school girls  Nice to see some good old debate going on, I was aiming the thread towards experienced chaps, was at work wondering really which would be the best overall all setup including handling, power, speed, costs etc I think we have come to the conclusion that the 1.6 dominates on the track, although I will one day have to see for myself. As for the c16xe and the x16xe, I guess thats preference?
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broster
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c16xe has more potential, but i think its neglegable to be honest. so yes as you say preference
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mwg
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Originally posted by broster
about as much as you have spend getting you c20xe to produce 156!
dont quite understand what you mean? the 2.0 has that power as standard so you dont have to spend anything to make it produce that and I doubt very much 180bhp from a 1.6 costs nothing
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Ant
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Originally posted by broster
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Originally posted by aritchie
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Originally posted by Teddy
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Originally posted by aritchie
Just been doing a bit of diging and i reckon there is about 40kg difference in weight up front between the 2 set ups. So the x16 will hanfle better yes, but I would love to se what a well set up 20xe could do!
You would need to spend a lot of money to get a 20xe corsa to handle.
Corner weighting
Toe in
Camber angles etc...
Not cheap.
true but you have to spend a lot of money to make a 1600 produce 180BHP
about as much as you have spend getting you c20xe to produce 156!
Dont believe this for a minute, unless your x16 starts as a minter and your c20 a nail! im asuming if you are going to be using a car for trackdays you will be rebuilding it first anyway!!
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broster
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how much have you spent on your c20xe aritchie? how much does an average conversion cost for a c20xe? drive in drive out is £1500, with an engine thats not rebuilt yes? so lets say 2500 for it rebuilt ot standard?
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Ant
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id say drive in drive out rebuilt woud cost in the region 2.5 k yeah
but then plenty of £1500 conversion cars have made good std power
[Edited on 14-12-2005 by aritchie]
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Butler
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Originally posted by Matty G
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Originally posted by broster
about as much as you have spend getting you c20xe to produce 156!
dont quite understand what you mean? the 2.0 has that power as standard so you dont have to spend anything to make it produce that and I doubt very much 180bhp from a 1.6 costs nothing
You have to to source and engine and fit it first
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Nic Barnes
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another point maybe worth making is a 130k mile engine c20xe probably wont be making 156bhp anymore.
ive seen a few in my time making 140bhp and even a local one made 133bhp.
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Teddy
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Originally posted by muppetsport
another point maybe worth making is a 130k mile engine c20xe probably wont be making 156bhp anymore.
ive seen a few in my time making 140bhp and even a local one made 133bhp.
In all fairness the older they get the better they get.
I see an Astra GTE 16v bloddy falling apart it was, 210,000 miles on it - bang 156bhp!!!!
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Nic Barnes
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maybe their not ran in till 200,000 miles and make less bhp until that mileage
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RobHayes
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Tb's all the way
the noise is immense
the revs pick up a hell of alot faster, well mine did
all in all i found it more fun to drive 
hense the £3k bill for the new engine 
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Adam-D
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Registered: 11th May 02
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if the weight diff is 40 kg upfront
drop the bonnet to grp ones
cut out unwanted metal "yes ive gone crazy with a grinder"
move batterey, washer bottle to more centralised position low down in the car
and stich weld it i rekon handling wll be pretty much the same
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