L30 SCT
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rite now that i have been talked out of putting a turbo on my car i have decided to look at throttle bodie kits. (
websites of kits and prices would help)
i take it that taper are better than multi point?
can people that have throttle bodies put up the spec of there cars and how reliable it has been.
thanks
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timrud_
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http://www.sbdev.co.uk/Taper%20Kits/New%201.6L%20Taper%20Kits/1.6L%20TP%20kits%20introduction.htm
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Dave A
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rebuilt x16xe
omex 500 ecu
home made loom
webber alpha wideband lambda
webber alpha air/fuel meter
novatech 40mm tapered tb kit
40mm trumpets with 30mm stacks
robspeed 30 degree inlet manifold
blue xe injectors
egr and sai ports competely removed
ported and polished head (gary off mig)
arp rod bolts
sbd cam belt rollers
irmscher alternator bracket
janspeed 4 branch
piper de-cat
janspeed exhaust
pipercross filters
sachs fast road clutch
154 bhp at the wheels (170 at fly) @ 7500 rpm
and 117 lbft of torque @ 6100 rpm
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Dave A
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tapered throttle body basicly means that the body gets narrower from the inlet to the butterfly. most bodies are tapered. there is also 2 different tyes of manifold, parralell:
and tapered:
with the x16xe the tapered inlet is a lot better. when i fitted the tapered inlet i gained about 10 bhp just because the x16xe inlet ports sit at 30 degrees (same as the tapered manifold) and far less restrictive.
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ckallis500
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sbd claim 160bhp out of the c16xe (completely standard except conrod bolts) using their taper throttle body kit and correct exhaust system, the whole engine,head,cams ect remain standard.
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L30 SCT
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what about this kit?
i no that i would need to get a inlet manifold to suit
its only £1209 delivered
[Edited on 14-05-2006 by L30 SCT]
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Dave A
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they claim 164 bhp from their basic kit. I know 3 people that have fitted it to a c16xe, the usual power it gives is anything from 140 to 150 bhp. there was a big thread about it on mig a while back, it turned out that the 164 figure was a bit of an optimistic one. Noble motorsport has mapped a few of these kits now and they only usually see around 150ish.
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Dave A
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quote:
Originally posted by L30 SCT
what about this kit?
i no that i would need to get a inlet manifold to suit
its only £1209 delivered
[Edited on 14-05-2006 by L30 SCT]
where is that from? does it inludethe sensors and loom?
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Jamie Walby
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quote:
Originally posted by Dave A
rebuilt x16xe
omex 500 ecu
home made loom
webber alpha wideband lambda
webber alpha air/fuel meter
novatech 40mm tapered tb kit
40mm trumpets with 30mm stacks
robspeed 30 degree inlet manifold
blue xe injectors
egr and sai ports competely removed
ported and polished head (gary off mig)
arp rod bolts
sbd cam belt rollers
irmscher alternator bracket
janspeed 4 branch
piper de-cat
janspeed exhaust
pipercross filters
sachs fast road clutch
154 bhp at the wheels (170 at fly) @ 7500 rpm
and 117 lbft of torque @ 6100 rpm
whats that like for reliability Dave?
Think I might look at similar spc, already have the TBs but need to look into 'what to do now' sort of thang 
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L30 SCT
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balance motorsport and i aint sure on loom you do get a couple of sensors.
have a look on the website and tell me what you think.
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Dave A
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well ive had that spec for about 8 months or so now. only problem has been the tps (throttle position switch) it went a bit mad and was overfuelling fitted a new one and ive never had any problem whatseover. infact its far more reliable than most standard engines due to it being totally adjustable. once you are familiar with the setup (fit it youself is easiest) you can adjust the timing, fuelling, rev limit, fuel cut, practically everything yourself.
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Paul_J
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kms stuff is usually pretty good 
I know they make direct to head bodies for 106 gti. Also looks like they bundle standalone management with it! that alone is worth 500-600 quid
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L30 SCT
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The kit includes the following:
- KMS ECU plastic case
- KMS 45mm Throttle Bodies
- Ignition module
- 4 x Injectors(please state horsepower target on order form)
- Throttle Linkage
- 4 x Airhorns - please specify 30/45/60/75/90mm Length on order form
- FREE coolant temperature and water temperature sensors
thats what you get with that kms kit
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timrud_
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If you get the kit we can build you the engine no problems
We have an XE running the TP270 kit, so we can do it right lol
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Dave A
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that kit from balance motorsport looks good exept the smallest they do is the 45mm body. 40 is ideal for a 1.6.
but then you will need a loom, inlet and fuel pressure regulator which will set you back a further:
loom £200
air temp sensor: £30
manifold: £180
REGULATOR: £80
so a total of about £1700.
plus it uses a seperate module for ignition. all in 1 ecu's are far easier.
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Jamie Walby
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quote:
Originally posted by Dave A
well ive had that spec for about 8 months or so now. only problem has been the tps (throttle position switch) it went a bit mad and was overfuelling fitted a new one and ive never had any problem whatseover. infact its far more reliable than most standard engines due to it being totally adjustable. once you are familiar with the setup (fit it youself is easiest) you can adjust the timing, fuelling, rev limit, fuel cut, practically everything yourself.
I already have the throttle bodies and inlet manifold! So say i went and bought the rest of the gear its all going to be good. I dont want mad spec like broster, but i want car to have a decent kick etc....
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Jamie Walby
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also what sort of price you loking at for your spec Dave?
Thanks
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L30 SCT
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ok well like i said i havent really looked into tb's before.
will prob go for the kit i pm'd you about dave A
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my mate has just got his vts on tb  well nice full jenvey set up and omex 600 mamangement. with cams and lots fo head work its running 183bhp
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L30 SCT
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quote:
Originally posted by N90ATH
my mate has just got his vts on tb well nice full jenvey set up and omex 600 mamangement. with cams and lots fo head work its running 183bhp
 that will be mental rapid.
my mate is in the middle of supercharging his vts.
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N90ATH
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lol aye it is well fast sounds fucking awsome as well
the person taht did his offere dme a saxo vts with 160 bhp for 3k so gonna look at it :S
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L30 SCT
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cant wait to get my corsa on tbs now but it will be ages yet.
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N90ATH
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well i can either look into this saxo or do it to corsa, dunno yet. well thinking bout saxo as it handles so well
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L30 SCT
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aye and there so light
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