Greg_M
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I am looking into TB at the min, mainly to weigh up my options, not because im dreaming
and i would like some info please. on what i would actually need ect. where to go, as i have spoken to a few companies but they just try and flog me stuff
So can people that have actually got TBS or knowledgable people point me in the right direction or give me some info on what i would need and the costs and rewards (bhp ect)
[Edited on 18-08-2006 by Greg_M]
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broster
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how much do you have to spend
you need the follwong items:
inlet (or dth tb's)
tb's
linkage
fuel rail
fpr
some fuel hose
management
loom
proper map (dont run it on a base map)
will you fit it all?
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RobHayes
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bring it to me, i'll do it
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Greg_M
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fitting isnt a problem, the mapping will be.
what sort of price will 'kits' be? to achieve say around 200bhp?
will i need the strengthen the bottom end? i
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broster
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will need arp rod bolts for deffo, and dependant on cams you will need pocketed pistons, may aswell go forged?
for management i cant recommend what i have enough, will cost £1200+vat for the system i have, it has built in launch control and full throttle gear change.
anyway, enough of the sales pitch, 190ish is achievable on standard cams, get some fast road cams and itll push you towards 200bhp.
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Greg_M
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so £1200 for the management? how much for the rest of the stuff?
could jam sport do all this mark, fit everythign and set up ect?
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Mattb
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you running a 2.0?
if so i would get the throttle bodies direct from jenvey or QED as this will be cheaper than going through a tuning company such as SBD.
200bhp on an xe allegedly is achievable with standard cams but a decent large exhaust manifold is needed (accordin to SBD)
Mine made 185 on standard cams and 2/3 mapped fueling and unmapped ignition (she kept overheating due to a cracked head so mapping was abandoned) but i did make 214bhp on crappy kent fast road cams (260 degree duration) but close to standard torque - 143lb/ft
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broster
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ill send you a u2u
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AK
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qed use jenvey too
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Greg_M
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quote:
Originally posted by Mattb
you running a 2.0?
if so i would get the throttle bodies direct from jenvey or QED as this will be cheaper than going through a tuning company such as SBD.
200bhp on an xe allegedly is achievable with standard cams but a decent large exhaust manifold is needed (accordin to SBD)
Mine made 185 on standard cams and 2/3 mapped fueling and unmapped ignition (she kept overheating due to a cracked head so mapping was abandoned) but i did make 214bhp on crappy kent fast road cams (260 degree duration) but close to standard torque - 143lb/ft
yeah XE, had been overbored by 0.5 and crank and a few bits done but nothing major.
Cams will be done i would think, ill just buy all the bits and then fit it all at once. or ill buy a 'kit' that has everything in. I dont want silly power first off. Just more.
[Edited on 18-08-2006 by Greg_M]
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Mattb
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quote:
Originally posted by AK
qed use jenvey too
didnt know that.. 
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Mattb
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quote:
Originally posted by Greg_M
quote:
Originally posted by Mattb
you running a 2.0?
if so i would get the throttle bodies direct from jenvey or QED as this will be cheaper than going through a tuning company such as SBD.
200bhp on an xe allegedly is achievable with standard cams but a decent large exhaust manifold is needed (accordin to SBD)
Mine made 185 on standard cams and 2/3 mapped fueling and unmapped ignition (she kept overheating due to a cracked head so mapping was abandoned) but i did make 214bhp on crappy kent fast road cams (260 degree duration) but close to standard torque - 143lb/ft
yeah XE, had been overbored by 0.5 and crank and a few bits done but nothing major.
Cams will be done i would think, ill just buy all the bits and then fit it all at once.
if you are putting cams in you need to decide if you are staying with hydraulic lifters, or solids.. the step from a hydraulic cam profile to a solid one is quite expensive tho
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broster
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anywhere is cheaper than sbd, however they have alot of stock.
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broster
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newman do solid lifters, not so pricey really. the pricey part is setting them up, and finding somewhere that can do it, so many places claim to be able to but actually cant.
jenvey make tb's for prettymuch everyone
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AK
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if you want more than 280deg cams in the c20 best to plan for solid top end.
thats more around 220+bhp
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broster
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any news on yours ak?
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Greg_M
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quote:
Originally posted by AK
if you want more than 280deg cams in the c20 best to plan for solid top end.
thats more around 220+bhp
i have no idea when it comes to cams and profile. I wouldnt know what i would need. but if im spending quite a bit i wouldnt be happy with less than 200bhp
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broster
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5-6k will see a nice engine 7k will see great power.
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Greg_M
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id be looking for something powerfull, but still reliable. i would presume BIG power would need high maintenance costs?
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broster
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i have 190bhp from a 1.6 using a standard bottom end, biggest issue i had was rocker cover gasket leaking lol, done 7000miles in 10months and no issues at all.
just needs to be set up properly and mapped properly
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Graeme
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the ascar cars that use xe engine have around 230bhp`ish and there engines cost £7k all done, TB`s are very nice and sound amazing but they cost so much!
I think more people need to start doing the Bike carbs and experiment with different carbs, main one`s used is the R1`s which i have and i have 181bhp just from the carbs and the exhaust cat back so with some cams and head work i recon 200bhp is achieveable (sp)!
but have fun! 
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Dave A
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Click the link in my sig for info on novatech tb's
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