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Yes, unlike the majority of both celtic and rangers fans i wont sing anything i dont understand the meaning of or conversely i won't be upset by songs which have a sectarian undertone against me.
I'll be honest though when i was younger i got cought up in the novelty of it and the fact every other dafty was singing made me want to join in, having grown up now i can laugh at these people.
I was in the company of 1 rangers 'fan' the other week in the pub who had just came home from town having slashed an Aberdeen casual in both cheeks and across the neck, this is the same guy i would consider a friend. Guys like that are a disease on Scotland and its not welcome in this day and age.
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Originally posted by Jamie Walby
What is this song you speak of and can you explain whats offensive about it?
hello hello we are the billy boys
hello hello you'll know us by our noise
we're up to our knee's in fenian blood surrender or you'll die
coz we are the bridgeton derry boys
now the offensive part is Fenian but its is very contentious as a celtic fan would say it means catholic but the dictionary definition means a supporter of the irish republican movement
i will not lie though less educated rangers fans do think fenian = catholic
its best left out
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Yes, unlike the majority of both celtic and rangers fans i wont sing anything i dont understand the meaning of or conversely i won't be upset by songs which have a sectarian undertone against me.
I'll be honest though when i was younger i got cought up in the novelty of it and the fact every other dafty was singing made me want to join in, having grown up now i can laugh at these people.
I was in the company of 1 rangers 'fan' the other week in the pub who had just came home from town having slashed an Aberdeen casual in both cheeks and across the neck, this is the same guy i would consider a friend. Guys like that are a disease on Scotland and its not welcome in this day and age.
casuals are no fans of any club they are fans of violence these people are morons
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Edd
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also jamie its worth noting this song is in reference to The billy boys who were a protestant street gang in glasgow who regulary fought the catholic street gang the tim malloys (iirc)
its goes back very deep in west of scotland history
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Thanks Edd.
I vaguely remember hearing about this last year but didnt pay much attention.
SXI04 (sorry i dont know your name) I hope you no longer associate yourself with the geezer that slashed the aberdeen fan
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Hammer
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for jamie or anybody that wants to understand the groundings upon which these songs and the sectarian bullshit that still plagues Glasgow are built, id suggest watching 'the wind that shakes the barley' 
[Edited on 15-09-2006 by Sxi04]
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Edd
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scotland is afflicted with whats known as 90 minute bigots
decent people who lose their senses for the length of a football match
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for jamie or anybody that wants to understand the groundings upon which these songs and the sectarian bullshit that still plagues Glasgow are built, id suggest watching 'the wind that shakes the barley'
[Edited on 15-09-2006 by Sxi04]
never seen it?
impartial or one sided? be honest as i feel i've been honest enough with you this morning
[Edited on 15-09-2006 by Edd]
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Hammer
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Dont even know if it's in the cinema yet in all honesty its a 2006 film.
I personally think it gives a perfect account of the goings on in Ireland 1920 onwards having read a fair amount about it. You'll probably have a different view but hey ho.
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just googled it, ken loach really know what to expect there then
whats your thoughts on the goings on at old trafford with the award winning celtic fans causing trouble??
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I dont understand the celtoc/irish connection? Is it a catholic related link?
This is quite interesting to me! Arsenal and AFC Bournemouth dont really have that much history like this 
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scotland is afflicted with whats known as 90 minute bigots
decent people who lose their senses for the length of a football match
It's just passion, there are some right quiet people that are soft as shit, as soon as they get in the stadium whether they're playing or watching they just become possessed.
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just googled it, ken loach really know what to expect there then
whats your thoughts on the goings on at old trafford with the award winning celtic fans causing trouble??
A minority that lets the majority of good fans down IMO.
Every team's fans has them.
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Originally posted by Jizinho Silva 10
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Originally posted by Edd
just googled it, ken loach really know what to expect there then
whats your thoughts on the goings on at old trafford with the award winning celtic fans causing trouble??
A minority that lets the majority of good fans down IMO.
Every team's fans has them.
pretty much like the idiots who tried to sing the songs last night
all im asking for is fairness in reporting these things
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I dont understand the celtoc/irish connection? Is it a catholic related link?
Celtic Football Club was formally constituted at a meeting in St. Mary's Roman Catholic Church hall on East Rose Street (now Forbes Street), Calton, Glasgow, by an Irish Marist monk named Brother Walfrid original from County Sligo on 6 November 1887.
The charity established by Brother Walfrid was named The Poor Children's Dinner Table. Walfrid's move to establish the club as a means of fund raising was largely inspired by the example of Hibernian F.C. who were formed out of the immigrant Irish population a few years earlier in Edinburgh.
On 28 May 1888, Celtic played their first official match against Rangers and won 5-2 in what was described as a "friendly encounter". Celtic had 8 'guest' players from Hibernian playing that day.
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I dont understand the celtoc/irish connection? Is it a catholic related link?
This is quite interesting to me! Arsenal and AFC Bournemouth dont really have that much history like this
yes its catholic related celtic were formed by a priest, in the late 1800's early 1900's many catholic irish influxed glasgow they naturally supported celtic.
rangers were actually not a protestant team at that time but with the growing catholic community having a catholic team the protestants decided to back rangers the rest is history
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This is quite interesting to me! Arsenal and AFC Bournemouth dont really have that much history like this
arsenal and rangers have quite a lot of history with each other
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Originally posted by Edd
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Originally posted by Jizinho Silva 10
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Originally posted by Edd
just googled it, ken loach really know what to expect there then
whats your thoughts on the goings on at old trafford with the award winning celtic fans causing trouble??
A minority that lets the majority of good fans down IMO.
Every team's fans has them.
pretty much like the idiots who tried to sing the songs last night
all im asking for is fairness in reporting these things
I agree, I would rather have 100% well behaved people supporting the same team as me, I have to settle for second best and just distance myself from these idiots.
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This is quite interesting to me! Arsenal and AFC Bournemouth dont really have that much history like this
arsenal and rangers have quite a lot of history with each other
Go on.........
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Edd
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This was on the offical Arsenal website a few months back............
It Happened at Highbury
OUR FRIENDS IN THE NORTH
An atmospheric black and white photo hanging on the walls of the Marble Halls depicts a midweek friendly between Arsenal and Rangers on a frosty December evening in 1951. The match was played to a sell-out crowd of 62,012, with a further 10,000 left clamouring for tickets outside.
The game was notable for being one of the first played under the recently installed Highbury floodlights. But it was also particularly resonant because it marked the resumption of a regular tradition stretching back almost 20 years, something which had been disrupted by World War Two: the annual friendly encounter with Glasgow Rangers which, overall, spanned four decades.
The fixture dated back to the 1930s, and was born out of the close friendship between two football legends, Arsenal’s Herbert Chapman and his Rangers counterpart Bill Struth. The series had been inaugurated at a time when the two teams were the dominant forces north and south of the border and soon came to be regarded as a Battle of Britain. Like Chapman, Struth was a charismatic individual, who had been at the helm at Ibrox since 1920 and was no less influential in building Rangers into a major football force and a modern club than Chapman was at Arsenal.
In the first year, the two teams met in a double-header, a week apart, the first at Ibrox, the second at Highbury, on September 20 and 27, 1933, with Rangers prevailing both times. Thereafter, the fixture was restricted to one match a year, with the venue alternating between London and Glasgow, either at the start or the end of the league season.
The regular sequence of matches ended at Highbury in August 1967 with Arsenal earning a 3-0 victory thanks to goals from Jon Sammels (2) and ‘Geordie’ Armstrong. And a year later the last game in the series at Ibrox ended, fittingly, in a 2-2 draw.
And although the last friendly Arsenal played against Rangers was at the beginning of the 2003/04 season the ties between the two clubs remain strong. Before Christmas of last year a group of the Club’s Junior Gunners made the long trip north to Ibrox to watch a league match between Rangers and Hearts.
Results from Arsenal v Rangers friendlies:
1933/34 Rangers 2, Arsenal 0 (Ibrox)
1933/34 Arsenal 1, Rangers 3 (Highbury)
1934/35 Arsenal 1, Rangers 1 (Highbury)
1935/36 Rangers 2, Arsenal 2 (Ibrox)
1936/37 Arsenal 2, Rangers 1 (Highbury)
1938/38 Rangers 1, Arsenal 0 (Ibrox)
1951/52 Arsenal 3, Rangers 2 (Highbury)
1953/54 Rangers 1, Arsenal 2 (Ibrox)
1954/55 Arsenal 3, Rangers 3 (Highbury)
1955/56 Rangers 2, Arsenal 0 (Ibrox)
1958/59 Arsenal 0, Rangers 3 (Highbury)
1960/61 Rangers 4, Arsenal 2 (Ibrox)
1962/63 Arsenal 2, Rangers 2 (Highbury, Jack Kelsey Testimonial)
1966/67 Rangers 2, Arsenal 0 (Ibrox)
1967/68 Arsenal 3, Rangers 0 (Highbury)
1968/69 Rangers 2, Arsenal 2 (Ibrox)
1973/74 Rangers 1, Arsenal 2 (Ibrox)
1980/81 Rangers 2, Arsenal 0 (Ibrox)
1989/90 Rangers 1, Arsenal 2 (Ibrox)
1996/97 Rangers 3, Arsenal 0 (Ibrox)
1996/97 Arsenal 3, Rangers 3 (Highbury, Nigel Winterburn Testimonial)
2003/04 Rangers 0, Arsenal 3 (Ibrox)
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Edd
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we also have some shares for your club still in our possesion which was gave to us as a gift, worth a couple of million in todays market iirc
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Jamie Walby
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Awesome! Wish someone would give me a gift worth a few mil
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Edd
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probably was only worth a couple of quid back then
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mav
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slashed an Aberdeen fan
but the casuals all go out to do it, Aberdeen are one of the worst....
as long as it was another casual he slashed and not an ordinary supporter
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Hammer
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thats how ill still chat away to the guy mav, if he hadn't done it he'd have had it done to himself.
worst thing about it was it was after the scotland game in some neutral boozer, no need for it
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