SAL
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sp  do you need these when fitting cams such as "fast road" ?
ansews on a postcard 
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Robin
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Not NEED, no.
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dan_c4rsa
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nope.
ive got cams in the new build but no verniers. you get a lot more power from them with them though...
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SAL
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so do you use the verniers for cam timming ?
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dan_c4rsa
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yup
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SAL
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 and thanks
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csweatherston
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my cams needed adjusting approx 1/3 of a tooth to be exact.
verniers were the biggest waste of £200 ever 
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Limecat
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Depends on the lump. For example on the C16XE you have lugs on the back of the cam pulleys, you cannot run verniers on them (without pissing about)
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Dave A
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quote:
Originally posted by csweatherston
my cams needed adjusting approx 1/3 of a tooth to be exact.
verniers were the biggest waste of £200 ever
not at all, 1/3 of a tooth can be around 2mm of cam lift. with mapping that can be as much as 10 bhp gain throughout the revs.
not only does perfect cam timing give more power but it also means you dont get flatspots and dips in power.
no point fitting cams without them tbh.
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Robin
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quote:
Originally posted by LETGSI16V
Depends on the lump. For example on the C16XE you have lugs on the back of the cam pulleys, you cannot run verniers on them (without pissing about)
Dbilas ones.
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Dean_W
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quote:
Originally posted by LETGSI16V
Depends on the lump. For example on the C16XE you have lugs on the back of the cam pulleys, you cannot run verniers on them (without pissing about)
Yes you can. I'm pretty sure Dbilas are the only company that sell them with the lugs on.
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csweatherston
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quote:
Originally posted by Dave A
quote:
Originally posted by csweatherston
my cams needed adjusting approx 1/3 of a tooth to be exact.
verniers were the biggest waste of £200 ever
not at all, 1/3 of a tooth can be around 2mm of cam lift. with mapping that can be as much as 10 bhp gain throughout the revs.
not only does perfect cam timing give more power but it also means you dont get flatspots and dips in power.
no point fitting cams without them tbh.
True, but as yet i havent got a remap as yet..
before i dialed them in at around 3.5k it pulled like a train, now its more smoothe.
(and the undialed idle sounded awesome lol)
(if that kind of makes sence )
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csweatherston
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dblias vernier pullies
[Edited on 05-12-2007 by csweatherston]
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RCS
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1/3 of a tooth will not be 2mm of lift.
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Hamish
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depends what cams your using surely?
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SAL
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dblias fast road on a z18xe per haps ?
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