Colin
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When I claim for out of pocket expences due to going on work courses, usually a mix of hotels, food & travel over a few days, the bastards tax me on it when I get it back in the next months wage.
I wouldnt be overly bothered but I seem to be going on a course a month at the moment & its a bit annoying that im being charged tax on something that ive already paid tax on.
Also, Is there any official stance on how much you should be able to claim in pence per mile when using your own car? Current amount barely covers brake pad wear.
Ive been reading this website & it looks like I could claim some tax back / tax relief on the mileage I do.............
[Edited on 06-12-2009 by Colin]
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IvIarkgraham
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expenses should be payed seperate
when i was travelling the country mine was seperate and not taxed
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Colin
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Mne's paid along with my wages and gets taxed as normal salary does.
When I complained the cheeky fuck said if im not happy I could try writing to Gordon Brown 
Is there any actual law regarding this?
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Matt L
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the company can claim relief on 40p per mile for the first 10kmiles then after that it goes to 20p a mile but in essence they can pay you what they want iirc as they dont really have to.
tbh im not sure if this is right or not as i've never had to look into it but i dont think they legally have to cover your expenses its just through good will that they do it. (could be wrong though and tbh more than likely am)
oh and yeah you should be paying tax on the expenses, what you pay should be what you get back.
[Edited on 06-12-2009 by Matt L]
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Cosmo
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You shouldnt be getting taxed on money claimed back via expenses, have you spoken to payroll about it?
As long as what you're getting back for petrol is 40p or less per mile for the first 10k, and 25p or less after then you dont need to pay anything on this either. Any more and you should declare this at the end of the year as additional income.
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Cosmo
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quote:
Originally posted by Matt L
the company can claim relief on 40p per mile for the first 10kmiles then after that it goes to 20p a mile but in essence they can pay you what they want iirc as they dont really have to.
tbh im not sure if this is right or not as i've never had to look into it but i dont think they legally have to cover your expenses its just through good will that they do it. (could be wrong though and tbh more than likely am)
25p after 10k.
And no its not a legality that they have to pay it, or any amount should they do so. But I guess it'll be in your contract as to what they should pay you.
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Andrew
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My expences are not taxed, pay for fuel on a fuel card and pay some tax on having a company vehicle to commute.
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Matt L
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well... that fills me with such confidence about my exam tomorrow  I hopefully wont forget that now
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Cosmo
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quote:
Originally posted by Matt L
well... that fills me with such confidence about my exam tomorrow I hopefully wont forget that now
Just remember what Uncle Cosmo taught you.
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Matt L
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Haha ill mention you in my speech.... 
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Cosmo
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guaranteed A.
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Colin
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The employers stance is thet taxing my claims is normal 
Found this on the HMRC website -
Employer-funded or
employer-reimbursed
training:
This exemption covers the costs borne by your employer of work-related training
within the whole range of practical or theoretical skills and competences you are
reasonably likely to need in your present or likely future jobs with your employer.
The exemption extends to:
• training activities such as first aid and health and safety in the workplace
• employee development schemes
• activities intended to develop skills you need in leadership and teamwork, for
example, Raleigh International
• training which is provided by a third party rather than your employer.
All the ways in which training can be delivered are covered including full-time
and part-time training, internal training courses run by your employer, courses
which are run externally or by a third party, and courses which comprise any
mixture of these.
The tax exemption also covers:
• travel and subsistence expenses, to the same extent as if you were undertaking
employment duties while training.
Is that enough to sink them?
Mileage wise, they only pay me 20p a mile, as they apparently dont want to encourage private car use blah blah blah.....
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mwg
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I'm sure I get taxed but its because I get 50p per mile?
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Cosmo
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quote:
Originally posted by mwg
I'm sure I get taxed but its because I get 50p per mile?
You shouldnt be taxed on it all, only the extra above 40p (I think it also works above 40p in this situation too).
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Matt L
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quote:
Originally posted by Colin
The employers stance is thet taxing my claims is normal
Found this on the HMRC website -
Employer-funded or
employer-reimbursed
training:
This exemption covers the costs borne by your employer of work-related training
within the whole range of practical or theoretical skills and competences you are
reasonably likely to need in your present or likely future jobs with your employer.
The exemption extends to:
• training activities such as first aid and health and safety in the workplace
• employee development schemes
• activities intended to develop skills you need in leadership and teamwork, for
example, Raleigh International
• training which is provided by a third party rather than your employer.
All the ways in which training can be delivered are covered including full-time
and part-time training, internal training courses run by your employer, courses
which are run externally or by a third party, and courses which comprise any
mixture of these.
The tax exemption also covers:
• travel and subsistence expenses, to the same extent as if you were undertaking
employment duties while training.
Is that enough to sink them?
Mileage wise, they only pay me 20p a mile, as they apparently dont want to encourage private car use blah blah blah.....
Thats only saying whats tax free still doesnt mean that they have to pay it.
edit: also as said you shouldnt get taxed on claiming your expenses its only the company that would end up paying tax on the 10p per mile (above the limit of 40)
[Edited on 06-12-2009 by Matt L]
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Colin
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quote:
Originally posted by Matt L
quote:
Originally posted by Colin
The employers stance is thet taxing my claims is normal
Found this on the HMRC website -
Employer-funded or
employer-reimbursed
training:
This exemption covers the costs borne by your employer of work-related training
within the whole range of practical or theoretical skills and competences you are
reasonably likely to need in your present or likely future jobs with your employer.
The exemption extends to:
• training activities such as first aid and health and safety in the workplace
• employee development schemes
• activities intended to develop skills you need in leadership and teamwork, for
example, Raleigh International
• training which is provided by a third party rather than your employer.
All the ways in which training can be delivered are covered including full-time
and part-time training, internal training courses run by your employer, courses
which are run externally or by a third party, and courses which comprise any
mixture of these.
The tax exemption also covers:
• travel and subsistence expenses, to the same extent as if you were undertaking
employment duties while training.
Is that enough to sink them?
Mileage wise, they only pay me 20p a mile, as they apparently dont want to encourage private car use blah blah blah.....
Thats only saying whats tax free still doesnt mean that they have to pay it.
But it says travel and subsistence expenses are tax exempt so then surely I shouldnt pay tax on it
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Cosmo
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No you shouldnt be.
Im guessing its a payroll mistake as they arent putting them through properly - couldnt say without seeing a payslip though (thats if your payslips are detailed ones).
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Matt L
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ahh yeah you shouldnt pay any tax at all on the stuff you claim back as i mentioned in the first post you claim back exactly what you paid.
Id ring cab/hmrc unless they stop taxing you on it, or alteast claim it back at the end of the year (assuming this has happened more than once and it isnt just a mistake this time)
[Edited on 06-12-2009 by Matt L]
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Cosmo
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It depends how payroll have been putting it through though, as HMRC may have no idea about the petrol and therefore wouldnt be any use in claiming it back.
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Colin
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Its happened each time ive put a claim through
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Cosmo
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On your payslip does it have any other pay elements other than your salary, such as expenses, petrol, etc.? Or is it just one gross amount which is then taxed to give your net?
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Colin
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Got salary on one line & just says expenses in the line underneeth.
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Cosmo
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Thats strange, as they are differentiating it on your payslip.
They obviously arent putting it through as expenses though (when I do so on Sage Payroll for our lot it wont tax the expenses amount), and have the pay element set up so its basically as if you are getting an extra amount of taxable income (such as you would overtime, etc.).
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pow
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Nope should not be taxed at all.
I get 40p per mile driving wise and the exact amount for any other expenses tax free. THey come through my pay packet as well
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Fro
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I've claimed training courses and exams though expenses in the last 3 months or so, came to about 1400, they've given me the money back seperate from my normal pay and not taxed me on it.
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