CORSA NUT
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Fucking lol at the 'advice' given 
Ash as usual is spot on with the type of junction box, there made primarily by Ashley. Beggers me why most sparks still doe know what they are. Technically you could use any type of JB as when you remove the downlighter it's still accessible so doesn't need to be maintenance free. But this is the one I'd use.
Basically you'd have the wiring as it is now but inside a JB like the one pictured, then another cable coming out with a L/N/E for the new light.
Call a spark and get it done right.
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John
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It's literally a couple of screws and a couple of wires.
If someone has no idea then fair enough, I'm sure they could potentially do something bad, although difficult because the breaker would just trip.
However, getting an electrician in to change a light fitting is massively overkill.
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SXI - Matt
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Thanks for all the advice guys, I've fitted and in the process of fitting down lights in the ensuite and bathroom, obviously slightly different as there for wet rooms and running off transformer as there are more of them, but there easier as I can get in the loft for access. The reason this one has stumped me is purely because I still want all switches ect to work and didn't know the best way to ensure this happened. I've had our on site sparky round who has told me pretty much the same as what alot of these comments say around which connector box ect to use. The next challenge is that there are joices running over the top of the lights so they need moving forward or backward to fit up into the ceiling.
As for enough light do you guys honestly not think 2 would be enough? I've had a similar set up in a straight hallway on my dads old house that only had 2 and was plenty. This isn't to much different so was hoping 2 would be enough. They do however sell 60W down lights that's are bigger and use a screw in bulb instead of a g10 guess these might be a bit better unsure
[Edited on 15-12-2012 by SXI - Matt]
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CORSA NUT
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Originally posted by John
It's literally a couple of screws and a couple of wires.
If someone has no idea then fair enough, I'm sure they could potentially do something bad, although difficult because the breaker would just trip.
However, getting an electrician in to change a light fitting is massively overkill.
Yes John, that's why I spent 4 years training to be an electrician.
It's only some screws and a couple of wires 
I make a good living doing foreigners, and changing light fittings is well up there with the most jobs I do. I charge £20 for simple jobs and they know it's been done properly and it won't fall on there children a week later. And another point is about 30% of the jobs I do are fixing someone else's fuck ups. Some of the have a go heroes have been Doctors/Barristers/Engineers etc etc so even smart people have no idea.
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John
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I've just fitted wired up 5 downlighters in the toilet half an hour ago, was some screws and some wires. Unless Hammer is on here to tell you the house burnt down when I was sleeping, it's went ok.
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CORSA NUT
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Well good for you.
And I'm assuming you've done all the relevant tests to make sure it's actually safe? And issued yourself a minor electrical works certificate?
This thread isn't about you John, saying its easy blah blah isn't going to help him is it?
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CORSA NUT
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Plus have you just replaced your lights like for like?
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John
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Couple were already there, had to run the wiring for the others, also put an extractor fan in while I was at it.
I wired it so know it's safe.
I said earlier, if you have no idea it's better getting a spark in to do it. Saying a spark is required though is too far, it's not rewiring a house.
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Gary
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Your wrong John. Unless you have been through extensive training you don't have the skills to rewire a light properly.
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CORSA NUT
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Oh Gary another smartarse hey? This isn't is the place for you kids to tit around that's what normal off day is for
If my experience isn't wanted then I won't bother replying in future and you can tell each other how easy things are. No bother to me.
It's funny how people won't touch Gas but electrics are so easy and safe 
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Gary
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Never said it was safe, but just because your trained dosent mean that nobody else has a clue.
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John
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Gas isn't that difficult either. Can just go wrong more quickly and the tools for detecting it (outside of soapy water) are outside of the price range of an occasional diyer.
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SXI - Matt
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I've decided to let a sparky do it, mainly as I'd rather some one who new what they were doing and do it every day to do it. Thanks for all your advice guys but as corsa nut said he spends a lot of time fixing others fuck ups mine probably would be one of them I'd rather be safe then sorry. But thanks none the less 
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CORSA NUT
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Gas isn't that difficult either. Can just go wrong more quickly and the tools for detecting it (outside of soapy water) are outside of the price range of an occasional diyer.
What do you do for a living?
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CORSA NUT
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Originally posted by SXI - Matt
I've decided to let a sparky do it, mainly as I'd rather some one who new what they were doing and do it every day to do it. Thanks for all your advice guys but as corsa nut said he spends a lot of time fixing others fuck ups mine probably would be one of them I'd rather be safe then sorry. But thanks none the less
Very wise Matt. If you were local mate I'd sort it for you for nothing.
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CORSA NUT
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Never said it was safe, but just because your trained dosent mean that nobody else has a clue.
Judging by the replies in here it's quite clear that most don't have a clue. I know a lot of stuff but unless I'm 100% sure I keep my mouth shut.
It really does piss me off when people don't respect a tradesman. I wouldn't come into your job and tell you it's easy etc etc
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Gas isn't that difficult either. Can just go wrong more quickly and the tools for detecting it (outside of soapy water) are outside of the price range of an occasional diyer.
What do you do for a living?
Fix computers. I'm pretty shit at diy actually. I understand how electricity works and that gas flows down a pipe same as water does though. Making out like changing a light is dangerous is scaremongering.
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CORSA NUT
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Yes because fixing a computer qualifies you to play with electrics.
At the end of the day it's your house and your risk so you carry on. Giving other people 'advice' when your not qualified to is the point your missing. The thread title says 'Electricians and people in the know' you are neither so go back to fiddling with circuit boards and hard drives
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John
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I'm in the know about using a screwdriver to turn a screw one way or the other, which is all fitting a light involves.
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It's all well and good until something goes wrong, pisses me off when people think "it's just screws and wires". There's a reason I've been through over three years of tuition, keeping updated with regs and buying specialist tools and test equipment.
John, just because you wired it doesn't make it safe!! Have you tested for continuity of your cpc? Insulation resistance? Earth loop impedance? Ze? Continuity of main equipotential bonding?? Nah didn't think so. Paying a spark to do a proper job and receiving the correct paperwork is with every penny IMO.
Matt, did you notify building control about your bathroom spotlights?? Haha!
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John
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I could test all of those if I wanted to. I'm not trying to kid on an electrician is required though so I didn't. I'm not making out I know the regs, I've got the internet so could find them out if I wanted. I've also known enough since high school physics to be safe.
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SXI - Matt
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Originally posted by SXI - Matt
I've decided to let a sparky do it, mainly as I'd rather some one who new what they were doing and do it every day to do it. Thanks for all your advice guys but as corsa nut said he spends a lot of time fixing others fuck ups mine probably would be one of them I'd rather be safe then sorry. But thanks none the less
Very wise Matt. If you were local mate I'd sort it for you for nothing.
Thanks for the offer any way mate shame your not more local
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