ultim8DTM5
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Has anyone done these converstions?
I'm asking because C20LETs are in short supply here, not to mention the small matter of it being illegal in Australia to put an older engine into a newer chassis. I heard it was a bastard to do in the C anyway
My car is a 2001 build Z14XE, and there are plenty of Z22's around at wreckers, wondered if anyone had done this in the UK and how viable it is?
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ultim8DTM5
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Cmon fellas
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LukeGSi
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the guys to speak to are either lee mitchell or beardy - u2u them!! 
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GAZ914
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Pete,
The inlet/exhaust is on the other side in the Z22SE, compared with Z14/18XE.
I imagine you could use many Astra bits, but it would be an interesting job!
So when do we start? 
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J4MIE P
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aww maaaaan,
I really wnated to be the first to do this engine conversion.
I was thinking about it for ages.
Dont see y it wouldnt be possible. Its all aluminium as well so its light.
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BeArDy
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thinking about it wouldent be to hard
just alot of wireing
as it would be a matter of ripping total the old loom and fitting a new one (engine not car)
as i do not thing you can just tap into the New (corsa C style electronic) looms, i just think it would be easy to replace the lot.
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ultim8DTM5
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quote:
Originally posted by GAZ914
Pete,
The inlet/exhaust is on the other side in the Z22SE, compared with Z14/18XE.
I imagine you could use many Astra bits, but it would be an interesting job!
So when do we start?
I noticed that as well, but not being mechanically soudn myself I thought I'd better ask 
When do we start? I heard along the grapevine you were going to do the conversion in your garage and all you wanted was a slab of CUB's finest! 
Engines seem piss easy to come by, I'll scout around and if it's a goer I'll add it to "the list"
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fearless
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I should think it would be a reasonably easy job to fit - the z22se engine is quite a compact engine - many of the coolant pipes run internally in the block/head - the engine ecu is bolted to the inlet manifold - fitment of the ancilaries is compact and therefore actually getting it to fit would be quite easy - Convert the corsa to a f23 gearbox with cable shift and gear lever - only major problem is wiring - you would have to fit the throttle pedal from the z22se and spend many hours with the wiring diagram !!!!
Dave
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ultim8DTM5
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quote:
Originally posted by BeArDy
thinking about it wouldent be to hard
just alot of wireing
as it would be a matter of ripping total the old loom and fitting a new one (engine not car)
as i do not thing you can just tap into the New (corsa C style electronic) looms, i just think it would be easy to replace the lot.
The way I think of it is if the Corsa 1.8s come from the Astra, then the 2.2 should also fit the same engine mounts (reasonably thinking, to cut production costs.) Of course, I've got no idea if the Corsa 1.4 has the same engine mounts as the Corsa 1.8. I would think that things start to get different with the 2.0 Turbo and 2.6L V6, seeing as its been said here that the Astra Turbo is a bitch of a conversion to the Corsa C, not to mention price of engines!
I don't see any reason why the gearbox wouldn't bolt up either; all I know is when I look into my engine bay, I see a lot of the ground underneath, so theres plenty of real estate there.
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ultim8DTM5
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quote:
Originally posted by fearless
I should think it would be a reasonably easy job to fit - the z22se engine is quite a compact engine - many of the coolant pipes run internally in the block/head - the engine ecu is bolted to the inlet manifold - fitment of the ancilaries is compact and therefore actually getting it to fit would be quite easy - Convert the corsa to a f23 gearbox with cable shift and gear lever - only major problem is wiring - you would have to fit the throttle pedal from the z22se and spend many hours with the wiring diagram !!!!
Dave
I just posted under yours before I saw this post Dave. Thanks for posting.
Is the reason for this the Corsa's electronic throttle?
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ultim8DTM5
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Anymore thoughts?
I still think this is a better alternative to a Z20LET conversion
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Chris R
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c20 lets arent that hard to find the 6sp gearboxes are tho!
how much was the c20 let? ( mine van is a 96 and I know where a 97 LET is!)
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GAZ914
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quote:
Originally posted by ultim8DTM5
Anymore thoughts?
I still think this is a better alternative to a Z20LET conversion
I'm pretty sure that the latest Astra uses electronic throttle as well, so it wouldn't be a large jump to expect them to be similar/same in operation.
17% more power, 23% more torque...
C20LET is a bitch because the throttle arrangement is so different and not able to be used in NSW (where Pete lives) anyway.
More thought needed on this I feel
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GAZ914
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Hey Pete,
What about this?
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ultim8DTM5
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C20LET is possible when running 2 ECU's, then again, its illegal anyway.
Gazza: I keep thinking the engine mounts might be a pain in the rear because I naively think that due to the 1.8 in the Barina SRi is the Astra donk, then the 2.2 shouldn't be that hard? Like I said, I would be easily proven wrong as I don't exactly know where to look or what to look at.
That seems to be a 2.0L from the US? And a roots blower? More info please...
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ultim8DTM5
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Found it myself hehe:
quote:
Ecotec 2.0L I-4 Supercharged (LSJ)
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Type:
2.0L I-4 supercharged
Displacement:
1998cc (122 ci)
Compression ratio:
9.5:1
Valve configuration:
Dual overhead camshafts (4 valves per cylinder)
Assembly site:
Kaiserslautern, Germany
Valve lifters:
Hydraulic roller finger follower
Firing order:
1 - 3 - 4 - 2
Bore x stroke:
86 x 86mm
Fuel system:
Sequential fuel injection with high pressure (56 psi)
Horsepower:
205 hp (153 kw) @ 5600 rpm
Torque:
200 lb-ft (271 Nm) @ 4400 rpm
Fuel shut off:
6500 rpm
Emissions controls:
Three-way catalyst
Applications:
Saturn ION Red Line
Materials
Block:
Cast aluminum with cast iron cylinder liners
Cylinder head:
Cast aluminum
Intake manifold:
Aluminum
Exhaust manifold:
Cast iron
Crankshaft:
Forged steel with induction hardened fillet
Camshaft:
Cast iron
Connecting rods:
Forged steel
Additional features:
Extended life platinum spark plugs
Extended life coolant
Electronic throttle control
Then again, I'd like to do it on a budget if it gets done at all which means getting down to the wreckers and pulling out motors, not shipping them in new 
[Edited on 09-02-2004 by ultim8DTM5]
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ultrabluesxi
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easyer to just super charge the 1.4 in the long run
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Aussie GSi
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Awwwww! 2.0l Supercharged! 153kW! Beefarse! Hehehe!
2.2l would be awesome anyway. I wanna watch this! Sounds phat! One thing though lad, what are ya gonna do about insurance?
Aus
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ultim8DTM5
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quote:
Originally posted by ultrabluesxi
easyer to just super charge the 1.4 in the long run
But its still a 1.4, might as well get an SRi if thats the case.
quote:
Originally posted by Aussie GSi
Awwwww! 2.0l Supercharged! 153kW! Beefarse! Hehehe!
2.2l would be awesome anyway. I wanna watch this! Sounds phat! One thing though lad, what are ya gonna do about insurance?
Aus
Insurance will be kinder on n/a than forced induction. Let me worry about that
[Edited on 09-02-2004 by ultim8DTM5]
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ultim8DTM5
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bump.
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GAZ914
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Pete,
I had a chance to look closely at a 22SE engine in an Astra SRi this week.
Short answer, looks too hard to put into a "C".
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Noonster
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im thinking a 2.0ltr turbo engine from an astra would be the best bet......
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